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Stop! Or I'll say "stop" again!
Stop would be ordering Israel to not continue their war. This is more of a "feel free to continue, but behave yourself" order.
Yeah pretty much. This is one reason I thought it was a bad idea to try to base the ICJ case on "genocide," which invites quibbles about whether particular facts constitute genocide. I thought there was a much stronger case to be made highlighting particular factual war crimes which are pretty tough to factually dispute or argue aren't war crimes.
(Side note, everyone yelled at me when I did that as if it constituted somehow defending Israel. Long story short lemmy.ml isn't full of a lot of nuanced thinking on the issue.)
I'm most interested in these specific orders:
I wouldn't be surprised if Nethanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich each violate #3 with impunity before the end of the day, although this could inspire switching to dog-whistles and Soprano-style doublespeak which are far more acceptable to most of the West. #4, if it has any effect, will be the difference between life and death in many cases. I'm not hugely optimistic about Israel's immediate reaction to this ruling, but if this has a significant effect on their economy they could abandon this course just like they abandoned their partnership with Apartheid South Africa when the international community turned on them.
Agreed. Like I was saying I wish #3 said "stop killing civilians" and "stop stealing homes." That might be easy or hard to enforce when they inevitably ignore it, but it's a lot harder to doublespeak their way out of.
There is a huge reason to be skeptical of the efficacy of the ICJ. This however is an extremely high profile case with global attention in 2023 where the US is not quite as hegemonic in world affairs as it once was. This case could have an impact in some way, and I will be following it.
I hope so, yeah. I'm irritated at the ineffectiveness, not at the attempt.