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yeah but if you join, and your friends join, and they're friends, you know what nevermind

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[–] LostCause@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I went to Reddit for the first time this month to speak up in a relevant thread about it and got a bunch of tone deaf replies about they‘d rather join Threads cause "its popular and you sound like crypto bros with the decentralised stuff" and also some "Lemmy was made by tankies" and so on.

You know what, I don‘t care, don‘t want these short sighted people here, let them get screwed a few more times by the corpos if they enjoy it so much.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I read stuff like that a while back before threads, but there was a turning point. Used to be Reddit was the place you'd downvote any post about meta, insta, or any other huge social media to hell. Now tiktok videos are upvoted to the frontpage.

And Lemmy's founders may not have views I like, but then again neither does Meta's founders. At least with Lemmy if their views ever make it into code we can fork off of it

[–] LostCause@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Funny thing is my comment was about kbin, I just mentioned Lemmy and Mastodon as an interaction, but that is their main talking point anyway, the other ones was "too complicated" and "looks shit" and some more. They clearly don‘t have any understanding of open source or forking, so I didn‘t even bother to explain.

Also I don‘t even wanna know what ideology spez or Zuckerberg subscribe to, probably something fascist too and TikTok is also owned by tankies basically, anyway no sense in fighting that and I regret I tried, just glad I got this space with all of you to enjoy.

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[–] donuts@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Watching this whole thing go down has made me realize that regardless of what people say, it's not about the number of people, the quality of the experience, or anything like that.

A lot of people actually want to be surrounded by "brands" and "influencers". Some people even get a kick out of "hate following" people who they don't like, which blows my mind.

That's why Threads feels so right to them. Threads has been designed for one thing, and one thing only: connecting companies to customers, often via influencers and eventually through traditional advertising.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, there's a reason all of the corporate brands immediately jumped over there, and most celebrities.

The only reason I'd want to federate with threads would be for celebrities I follow, but even then I'm not sure if I'll federate my instance with it. Definitely not creating a threads account by any means.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

This. I don't want to be on someone else's "team" because I like to form my own opinions. I don't want other people telling me how to manage my own head.

[–] EthicalAI 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool, the community is big enough. I’d welcome more, but I like social media better when the techies are the majority.

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just like the Internet in 2005! Which means...

Oh no

[–] trafguy@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reminds me of this discussion of how a scene/subculture grows and evetnaully dies: https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

Feels like federated social networks are creating a new fresh scene, and there's now an influx of new users (including myself)

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[–] MiloSquirrel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly? I think a big issue with getting more people over here is kinda the attitude. This place is really elitist and condescending when the real reason go to threads or stick to twitter is cause

  1. Thats where their friends are
  2. The sign up+finding communities process is way more intuitive and 3) Folks over here shit on them a lot

I like it here, its been my prefered site, but between the stale memes and elitism the Fediverse has been like the Linux of social media. Probably better, but not really worth it for the average user.

Like, I know that wont win me any friends, but it's the truth. People are usually going to go the path of least resistance, and Lemmy instances being confusing to navigate for an average user, or looking at Mastodon.world and seeing they banned shitposts and not understanding that they can use a different one or spin up their own is going to turn people away.

If you want a more niche userbase that's fine, I certainly do, but it's wild to insult them for being stupid for not joining while actively keeping them away lol

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

This place is really elitist

Folks over here shit on them a lot

I feel called out. And I can't even try and defend myself, if I'm being honest, best I could do is try to defend my elitist point of view, that people who don't want to bother putting the slightest bit of effort really don't have much to do here. There's also the problem that instances can only grow so much before their home servers get strained with traffic and hosting costs soar.

In a way, we are and will remain the linux of social platforms. Small, vocal, divided by the pettiest reasons and annoying to no end to "the normies"

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Lots of my friends are going absolutely nuts trying to get into Bluesky asap because a bunch of big queer/left voices went there and they want to get in "before too many people join and it starts to enshittify". It's hard to compete with people that a lot of others want to follow dictating the direction with their influence. I must admit, so far my Mastodon feed is not all that interesting. Lemmy does entertain me, though.

[–] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Tell them it's a secret club that you've formed with friends. Set it up for them on their computer or phone. It might make it seem fun.

[–] pirat@partizle.com 2 points 1 year ago

Exact same for linux

[–] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its the same as how the vast majority of the US citizens hate both main political parties, but the majority also says "I wont vote for a third party because they could never win."

[–] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Tbh I kind of don't want everyone here with us lol

[–] rbits@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok but I don't post on twitter. I only view posts on Twitter, and they're pretty much all from relatively big people. So before I can move away, the people with big follower counts needs to move first. The only people on Mastodon that I follow are tech people. All the other people are on Twitter, Threads, or have just straight up left twitter altogether.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

it's not that small compared to 7 weeks after reddit started

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[–] LeTak@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The same problem is in politics in Germany. They vote only for the big politicians who have already a big group of supporters and so a high chance to win. Like „ I don’t vote for xyz because they have only 0.5% of voters in Germany and can’t change anything by that“ . With this attitude they also grow very slowly.

[–] starman@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not only in Germany...

[–] Igloojoe@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My feeling is that most of the social media platforms are just turning into cess pools of right wing hatred and evil. Reddit was left leaning, but their recent move just seemed obvious they want to go the way of twitter and be a shithole of a website as well. Just another money maker by exploiting the dumber people.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit was left leaning

No, it really wasn't.

Reddit was self-siloing and community moderated, so it was easier to avoid the worst of right-wing social media bullshit, but the place was (and is) crawling with anarcho-capitalists, techbro libertarians, and socons, and fascists with just enough brain cells to rub together to not get banned from the site.

Moderated spaces tend to filter out the biggest assholes who can't help themselves when it comes to blatantly and openly attacking people, but Reddit is not a moderated space. It's just that it contains moderated spaces that became large -- the unmoderated ones don't grow at the same rate. But there have been fairly long standing, ongoing, and successful efforts to fash up mid-sized subreddits and turn them into cesspits.

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[–] PositiveNoise@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm fine with the normies staying on Reddit and Twitter, while all of us 'new cool' folks explore our rebel alliance.

[–] Hexagon@feddit.it 0 points 1 year ago

Exactly. And the same applies to Linux, if it becomes majority then hackers and scammers would start targeting it. This things are better off thriving in their niche than dominating the environment

[–] substill@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah there’s no way in Hell I’m telling average people to jump on the fediverse train. This place is niche af - just like Reddit was in the early days.

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[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev 0 points 1 year ago

She's just not that into you man.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

The truck is not to tell them all the complicated shit. Just tell them it's another social media site that you browse. Don't need to tell them about the fediverse. Don't need to tell them it's independent. All that stuff is like a Naruto headband is to girls.

They'll discover all that stuff afterwards.

[–] Thedogspaw@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago

I might be a weirdo here but I enjoy both kinds of social media mainstream social media is cool because all your friends and family are there and you can fellow famous people but the fediverse is fun because of all the fun nerds and weirdos activists and people whose massage would be squashed anywhere else

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