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Feels like a smear campaign at this point. They're making it sound like you have to dig through instances and code your own interface or something
I'll be honest, "dig through instances and code your own interface" is kinda where I'm at right now with Lemmy. I love Beehaw as an instance, but because of the demo it's attracted there are relatively niche topics I am interested in that it can't support an active community for. Those communities are already humming along on lemmy.world -- but I can't interact with them because of the (justifiable) decision to defederate from them due to moderation concerns.
So where does that leave me? I am trying to stand up my own instance right now... but the build directions available don't work for my homelab setup (for some reason the backend only responds to requests from localhost, which means I can't set Lemmy up to work with my existing reverse proxy?). I guess I could go rooting around in the code to change that, but at that point I'm committed to maintaining a personal fork of Lemmy just to be able to use it in a way that is analogous to how I used Reddit... which just worked out of the box.
I really wish that in addition to federation, Lemmy offered some sort of OAuth-style portable identity that would allow users to interact directly with instances off their "home" one. As it stands, the Fediverse has ended up a bit more balkanized than I think was intended or anticipated
you could sign up for a different site which isn't defederated from beehaw or the other instances you're interested in. lemm.ee for instance.
Sure, I could, but for me the whole appeal of a federated service is its interconnected nature. If I have to create an account on the "right" instance to interact with all the communities I'm interested in -- potentially repeatedly, given that operators may choose to defederate from each other at any time and for any reason -- that has already defeated the purpose of the exercise.
I see this as a major driver of the "default instance" issue that both Mastodon and Lemmy have experienced. If you both have a hard time finding content off your home instance and have no guarantee of continued ability to interact with that content down the road, the safest choice of home instance becomes whichever is biggest, and from there the network effects just make the problem progressively worse over time. Federated services need some way to reduce the friction of traversing the Fediverse if they're going to avoid that.
I guess I disagree with your assertion as to what is the 'purpose' of the fediverse. To me choosing associations is the point, so admins disconnecting from abusive instances fits well within that belief. If the fediverse meant accepting all input from all instances without question, I'd leave here as quickly as I did voat.
I don't mind creating a couple accounts on different instances as need be. Though I'm also the kind of person who had a handful of reddit accounts for various purposes, so I understand my perspective isn't likely the norm.
I agree though that based on your requirements, spinning up your instance might be the best bet.
I don't disagree with your points, necessarily. I just think that the way most federated services function, there's no way for the needs/concerns/feelings/whims of an instance operator to be met without also impacting the users of their instance in ways that might not have been necessary just to protect that one instance. I only ever had one Reddit account, and thought of my post history as something of a corpus that represented me to those who might be inclined to look, so to me portability of my federated Identity is important -- without it Lemmy is just a bulletin board with extra steps. That said, it's clear that our user cases differ, and that's OK! For my part, I'm gonna keep trying to get this thing self-hosted...
Create an account on an instance like Lemmy.world. Subscribe to whatever you want. Problem solved?
I don't know why you are looking to set up your own instance, that is not necessary for "normal" users at all.
Like Drew got no clue said, the issue is that the author can't handle the tiny amount of friction encountered during the process. IMO, it keeps out those that wouldn't be contributing anyway.
Edit: Our -> out
I disagree strongly with this view. One of the truly valuable elements of reddit is/was the shared knowledge for a lot of things that are not techy. As a somewhat recent homeowner, the r/homeimprovement subreddit and the mildly related ones have been invaluable. It's populated by random homeowners of all types and experts in various professional and DIY fields. These are not people who are likely to migrate to Lemmy in droves and that's a loss, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe some will make it and smaller communities might grow to have similar knowledge wells, but they won't be as deep.
I'm all-in on the transition away from the social media giants, but there's a lot about the simplicity of a non-federated platform that won't carryover which will make the barrier to entry higher than many people want to navigate, and that is definitely a shame.
That's something I hadn't considered!
At this point, I'm not looking for a replacement, but an improvement. I will miss the niche groups in Reddit and especially the fact that I could find a specialist in dryer repair, saving me the cost of replacement or read all about Miele vacuums from a seasoned vacuum tech. The benefit of the Fediverse is tied to it's size. It keeps the ecosystem more manageable and as far as I have seen, more humane. The people are nicer and I've seen an improvement in life since moving here because of it. The size and the type of environment surely go hand in hand!
I feel that this is just another growing pain, that I can still get help with a dryer or finding a good vacuum or whatever, it will just look different going through that process here.
I think that in time, more users will come and create further specialization in the platform, but at a rate that will allow for proper moderation and innovation to overcome performance and management hurdles.
Congratulations on the new home, or maybe congratudolences. It's been a whole new phase of my life and a wonderful, intermittently painful, learning experience.