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Should political extremism, far-left or far-right, be an allowed part of Lemmy's Fediverse? (self.politics)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by oblast to c/politics

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I'm simply asking this question because of Lemmygrad.ml existing, and that there isn't a far-right equivalent of it yet. If Lemmygrad has any standing for its right to exist under free speech, where is the line drawn for other extremist political ideologies? If Holodomor skepticism is allowed, then what stops Holocaust skepticism? (as it is generally accepted the Holodomor was man-made). I'm simply wondering what gives far-left politics a right to promote such extremist views in the Fediverse, when their far-right counterparts would be Defederated in minutes.

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[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless you're Jewish, the far left has had a huge blind spot for anti-Semitism over the last few years.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that all leftists aren't bigots or that bigotry never happens in leftist spaces, but bigotry is the rule in fascist ones. Fascism is bigotry, it's a core part of the ideology itself. For that reason they're not comparable.

[–] TMoney 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds a little bit like the no true Scotsman argument

[–] natori 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It isn't at all a no true Scotsman argument, what are you talking about?

You can be a leftist and not be bigoted. Bigots also join the left, we can't help that, but that's because they personally are bigoted, not because the ideology is. In fact, most modern leftism argues that bigotry is fundamentally at odds with the core ideals, and in my experience a majority of the left, at least in English speaking countries, wants to distance these people.

You cannot be a fascist without being bigoted. Being bigoted is part of the ideology. It aims to spread and teach bigotry, that's the purpose of it.

No true Scotsman would be "yeah but the anti Semitic leftists aren't real leftists", which isn't what anyone said.

[–] TMoney 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree, but if we argue, it'll go nowhere.

[–] kalanggam 14 points 1 year ago

There's not really anything to disagree with. What you're calling a No True Scotsman isn't a No True Scotsman argument in the slightest.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago

You might be mistaking denouncing Israel's treatment of Palestininians as somehow anti-Semitic.