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My country was on the path of the democratically instituted socialism thing. Well, it tried but the United States instigated, funded and armed a military coup and the military dictatorship that followed.
Guess it's better to have torture camps than gobbunism
Democratic Socialism is alive and well in many countries without any U.S. intervention. You must be referring to the fascist kind.
Ah, yes, the United States famously only interferes in fascist countries and not for benefit of plutocrats.
Also, which demsoc countries are you talking about where the means of production are controlled by the working class?
What kind of argument is that? You've literally reiterated the spirit of this meme and directed it towards the U.S. The question was name a country that has instituted communisim successfully. As for part 2, you live in a fantasy that worker controlled production can exist without any administration or bureaucracy, ie. centralization. This right here is what true socialism has failed at repeatedly. Name one successful example.
You don't seem to know what democratic socialism means.
Oh, here come the uppity remarks, I am a dual citizen of a country with a socialist party, thanks for the down-the-nose leer in my direction without providing any education.
Good for you. Does the working class control the means of production in your country?
Look man, does it ever? Did you know that it's impossible to do so until we find a way to automate administrative duties?
Do you think clerical workers aren't workers or what the fuck even is it you're saying?
We're talking about creating policy and regulation, a central point with which to form cohesive trade of products. If all the clerical workers sat and typed whatever they wanted under socialism without any central authority to direct their labor then it's not gonna get far.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
You seem to be conflating anarcho-syndicalism with all other forms of socialism.
Is that socialist party in power? Is it actually socialist, or does it just call itself that? Because a lot of European “socialist” parties aren’t; most are liberal social welfare parties at best.
What is "Democratic Socialism" in your eyes?
The kind that can be voted on in fair elections.
So every AES state is also Democratic Socialist too.
Or do you mean Socialism established through liberal reform? That's very rare, only really established in countries like Chile under Allende, before the US supported a coup to overthrow him.
That's underselling it. Before he was even president, the CIA kidnapped and killed the Commander in Chief of the Chilean army for refusing to send the army during his inauguration. There was political and economical warfare for fear of a "functioning socialist government" in South America. According to Nixon "the choice of government by the Chileans was unacceptable".
See that little juke yall do by bringing up all the different variants by name? Three responses to my comments, all the same. "You must be confusing their socialism with my socialism"