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[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 34 points 2 months ago (121 children)

If only there were some kind of way for it to not devolve into totalitarian dictatorship...

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

lucky u, there is; its called just doing the fucking thing like normal, cuz non of the historical examples did that so u know.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

There is, and most have, despite imperial core propaganda to the contrary. Here’s a 1955 CIA report that was declassified in 2008.

Even in Stalin’s time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.

“Totalitarian” is itself propaganda: The Origins of Totalitarianism

Hannah Arendt came from wealth and so unsurprisingly was anticommunist. Her work was financially supported and promoted by the CIA. “Totalitarianism” is a bourgeois liberal, anticommunist construct for the purposes of equivalating fascism and communism.

Monthly Review, The CIA and the Cultural Cold War Revisited

U.S. and European anticommunist publications receiving direct or indirect funding included Partisan Review, Kenyon Review, New Leader, Encounter and many others. Among the intellectuals who were funded and promoted by the CIA were Irving Kristol, Melvin Lasky, Isaiah Berlin, Stephen Spender, Sidney Hook, Daniel Bell, Dwight MacDonald, Robert Lowell, Hannah Arendt, Mary McCarthy, and numerous others in the United States and Europe. In Europe, the CIA was particularly interested in and promoted the “Democratic Left” and ex-leftists, including Ignacio Silone, Stephen Spender, Arthur Koestler, Raymond Aron, Anthony Crosland, Michael Josselson, and George Orwell.

If fact almost all of the “Western left” (that wasn’t repressed by the red scares) was captured by the imperial core’s propaganda machine: Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AlmightyTritan 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now I love boiling down the pitfalls of modern western society into large statements like "capitalism bad" and "communism good" as much as anyone, but having dealt with a bunch of people dismiss good change as "that's communism" has made me rethink how I talk about topics online and in person.

Now the accelerationist are gonna be mad about this for sure, but maybe you should start small, and discuss topics at a more local level. Then again the internet is world wide and everyone wants to talk about grand scale things.

Basically, I've stopped telling people outside of my direct circle that leftism cool, and instead talk about socialised medicine programs, pushing for support of worker owned productions and business, getting involved with coop housing. Lot easier when you don't have to bump up against the red scare.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Now the accelerationist are gonna be mad about this for sure

You’d be hard-pressed to find accelerationist Marxist-Leninists. That’s more often found in anarchist circles.

(But at the same time, we think that incrementalism/reformism won’t work. Rosa Luxemburg: Reform or Revolution)

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Viewed from hexbear this thread has 27 comments lol

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Must be nice not having to be exposed to 440 …other comments.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Funny, the same thing happened when I realized that I'm Trans. It's almost as if capitalist ran media is incentivised to lie and decive in ways that cause permanent damage.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

Any ~~current~~ real-life examples of "communism good"?

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (21 children)

It's been democratically instituted many times. And every time America marches in and "liberates" them.

It's difficult to provide good examples when they're all actively destroyed.

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[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (8 children)

USSR Angola Cuba China DPRK Ethiopia Mongolia Vietnam GDR. I cant understand how people can look at a country that dramatically improved its peoples standard of living brought democracy and freedom, and not see it as a good thing.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

America Bombs North Korea and Vietnam to smithereens

Communism bad?!

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hey that's not accurate. France bombed them too.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

USSR Angola Cuba China

Ok, I guess you could argue the point that these countries

DPRK

What the absolute fuck are you talking about.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago

The DPRK is by no means perfect, but it's also not some hermit kingdom where the peasants push trains to make them move.

If you have 20 minutes, I recommend you watch We Went to North Korea to Get a Haircut, it's humanizing and helps dispel a lot of modern myths about the DPRK. Again, it's by no means perfect, but the West has absolutely mythologized its existence to lunacy.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What the absolute fuck are you talking about.

On this subject more than any other the western brain is completely destroyed by propaganda.

The crazy shit you will and have believed about Korea without any evidence is stunning and can only be explained by racism.

You actually believed when they said the whole country had to get the same haircut?

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[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 10 points 2 months ago

Open source software is like communism. Held in commons, free to use, contribute to, and benefit from.

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[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago (11 children)

This is literally on .ml, why are liberals flooding the comments.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Be happy the liberals are allowed to see this

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Because Lemmy.ml is federated with anti-leftist instances like Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ca. Lemmy.ml has a weird mix of very pro-Leftist posters and very anti-Leftist commenters because of this, people tend to post more on their own instances but often times scroll by all for commenting.

More self-sufficient Leftist instances like Hexbear or Lemmygrad don't see the same circumstances.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why are liberals on a decentralized platform anyway? Surely the free market has provided adequate platforms for everyone's needs

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The Liberals on instances like Lemmy.world are too ideological to stay on Reddit, but have read no Marxist Theory and have not correctly identified the reasons why Reddit went wrong, and was always destined to go wrong. If they were Leftists, they would join an instance that doesn't defederate with Leftists as policy.

That's why Lemmy.world is just Reddit 2.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The western-supremacists literally can't keep their mouths shut, when given a chance to denounce any country they consider "barbarian".

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago

We are federated to liberal instances

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's worse when you say you're a Communist or say Communism is good, and people agree, but when you advocate for AES or advocate for standard Marxist theory the same people flip on you and call you brainwashed.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I haven’t gotten that far with people yet. I have only met people who say “no communism” but “socialism” or “Democratic socialism” or “social democracy”

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)
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