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Happy pride month! 🌈

Sources: Gallup surveys from 2012, 2016 and 2021 and the PRRI survey of 2023

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[–] jarfil 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

past ≠ present ≠ future

Thanks for the search suggestion, and let me return the favor: look up how people end up after all the fistfights and wars all around the world.

No right has been ever won by punching.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

setting aside the obvious part where the word I'm talking about doesn't refer to actual physical act of punching (perhaps actually look it up, maybe?) - of course, you're completely right, suffragettes won the right to vote sheerly by peaceful and quiet protests, and the Pride movement has got roots in a well-known event called "the Stonewall campfire sing-along".

[–] jarfil 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't find your sarcasm, bad faith, and dismissal of a serious concern, to be compatible with a constructive conversation. If you feel like ditching that, please come again.

[–] Vodulas 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You come into a space trying to tone police, arguing with people about how to fight for rights, then get mad when they are a little sarcastic to you? Wow

[–] jarfil 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Where by "a little", you mean every single sentence? No, thanks.

[–] Vodulas 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not every single sentence and also they could have been way worse, especially since you are way out of pocket here.

[–] jarfil 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

they could have been way worse

Does that make it acceptable, or worthwhile of discussing? I don't think so.

you are way out of pocket here

Disagree.

[–] Vodulas 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Does that make it acceptable, or worthwhile of discussing? I don’t think so.

They didn't want to discuss, they wanted you to put in a modicum of effort to go look up some easily attainable information. You are the one that tried to tone police, so being met with moderate sarcasm is the least bad thing that could have happened

Disagree

K. Good luck sticking your nose in places it doesn't belong then getting upset when people don't appreciate it

[–] jarfil 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You keep calling it "tone policing", I call it "strategy recommendation".

And no thanks, assuming that I don't know what I'm talking about, is not a nice thing. I've seen plenty of that "easily attainable information", and I still don't agree.

sticking your nose in places it doesn't belong

Plus gatekeeping. How exactly do you figure my nose doesn't belong here?

[–] Vodulas 5 points 5 months ago

You keep calling it “tone policing”, I call it “strategy recommendation”.

You can call whatever you want, it is still tone policing. Telling people they should not punch up because it is not productive is square in that definition, especially on a thread that started with a very silly joke.

Plus gatekeeping. How exactly do you figure my nose doesn’t belong here?

Giving advice where it wasn't asked for is sticking your nose in places it doesn't belong. I don't claim to know your personal intersections, and apologize if you thought I meant you don't belong in this particular community