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Honestly, we are potentially on the cusp of the next great societal shift not only in how countries are ran, but probably also where the sphere of global influence resides. I don't know how it will all end it, whether it will end with China superseding the US as a global influencer and power, or if we will go the way the Nazis have been trying to direct us since the 30s and the entire world takes a dramatic shift to the far right.
Quite frankly, it's terrifying. Being in the United States and watching our political climate dissolve into a party who is afraid of embracing the young and go further left, and a party whose only interest is owning the libs and helping the 1% become even wealthier while the rest of us have to suffer through greedflation is really frustrating. My wife and I have talked about leaving, but we have JDs, and American JDs are basically useless outside of the U.S. unless you went to Harvard/Stanford/Yale and can land a job in Big Law, which we did not.
I've thought about going back to school and getting a degree in programming, or trying to find another way to learn and get the experience/certifications I would need, but I have absolutely no idea where to start with that or how to look for those kinds of jobs.
I do not advise going to college for programming degree, it could easily be the worst financial decision especially now that the jobs and pays are not guaranteed anymore, programming positions are getting flooded and wage are tanking. More often than not, college does not teach you standard practices in the industry, the tech stacks that we use, and so forth.
My advice instead is to get some certifications for programming or system administration and save up for like a $7000 classroom course for some of those certifications, it's expensive, but helluva a lot cheaper than college at least. Once you have the certification and some basic understanding, do some projects like:
If you're system admin, try and set up a whole new office network by configuring the routers, firewall, group policies, ADAP, RADIUS, and so go on and so forth. Get comfortable doing it in a virtual setup.
if you're programmer, try and develop some common web applications since that is easily 90% of the job in programming nowaday, it almost always going to be web application everywhere you go.
A WGU computer science degree costs about 3800 per six month period, btw, which is a decent option. I'm with you on avoiding a typical expensive college degree, though. I would personally recommend considering WGU after getting some experience so you can get through it faster (since it's self paced).
It's about $30,400 for 4 years study, so it's not as bad as other college courses could've been. That a good option, I might consider doing that then. Thank you :)
Gotcha, that makes sense. Thanks for the advice!
Won’t most countries require you to have a degree in order to immigrate there? I generally agree with what you said otherwise, but as a tech worker with lots of experience and no degree, I think it’s limited my options for leaving the US, while otherwise being a good move overall.
I suppose the law degrees could potentially cover this situation, however. Haven’t considered that the degree may not need to be in the field you pursue. It may depend on the country.
In that case, you would likely need a bachelor degree anyway, and I would suggest getting a degree in "backup" career that have a solid forecast for wages and employ-ability, the programming industry are getting flooded now that everyone is trying to get good money in IT.
JDs?
Juris Doctor, it's what you have to get to become an Attorney in the US and Canada.
Thank you! 😊👍
I'd skip the programming. The tales coming out of Silicon Valley on Blind have convinced me the gold rush is basically over. If you have something you like doing that exists as a trade; Things like woodworking, electrical, plumbing, I'd look into that. The rules around them as a profeasional might change but the fundamentals are great for anywhere you go. Programmers are useful but we are about to fall off a tradesperson cliff. You'd be able to command 100 an hour at least if you are competent and polite.
I'd be wary of the trades as well. I am now an engineer, previously a welder. Unless you operate your own business, a trade is super unlikely to match the standard of living that a couple JDs would be used to. Also, most EU countries have very regimented training and qualification systems for tradespeople that start when you're pretty young.
In the US, there is a labor shortage of skilled tradespeople and manufacturing workers, so there is a huge push to get more people into it. The nasty secret though, is that there is a labor shortage because pay has not been rising and benefits are a joke.
Corporations push high school kids and laid off tech workers towards the trades with promises of good prospects, high wages, and solid benefits. The reality though, is that most of them will end up trapped in mind numbing dead end jobs where their labor and emotional/physical health will be exploited until they aren't useful to the company any more.
Manufacturers in particular are extremely reluctant to give their floor workers a bigger piece of the pie. So expanding the labor pool is an important long term strategy to ensure that wages stay low and that they can continue exploiting their workers as efficiently as possible.
Not trying to be a bummer, but I've lived both sides of this. The Association of Equipment Manufacturers, chambers of commerce, etc have a very strong and widely accepted narrative when it comes to the manufacturing labor shortage, so I think it's extremely important to spread a counter narrative when I can.
On the positive side, there are some really simple things that can be done to help alleviate the labor shortage: increase pay and benefits. We finally started to see a tiny bit of that during covid, and I'm hopeful that the trend will continue. It's frustrating though that it takes a near collapse of industry before manufacturers will even consider raising compensation.
Solid take. Thanks for giving that perspective. I was operating on some of that propaganda and hadn't heard that side of it.