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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lol right? I mean why would literally anyone trust Putin at this point?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm kind of confused why Prigozhin did what he did, even. He knew Putin was going to try to kill him afterwards, I had assumed he had his own play but I guess not.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His entire plan made very little sense. And he’s dead now so clearly whatever he thought he was doing definitely did not work out.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I eagerly await whatever book will come out about it in a couple decades.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IIRC, I believe Putin found the family members of the people in his chain of command and threatened with their safety.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's pretty weird if Prigozhin didn't have those people all locked down already, too. He knew the gravity of starting an armed rebellion and he knew as well as anyone how Putin operates.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as I recall, I read on a random article that his family was secured, but not the family of his close chain of command or something.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

So he just messed up, then. Oops, now you're dead.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hasn't he had pretty good relations with, like, literally all of BRICS?

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So good he didn't even show up there at the last conference in person because of pretty legitimate concerns they'd arrest him? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-remotely-attends-brics-summit-in-south-africa-while-facing-war-crimes-warrant

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh no! Not international law!

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are you arguing his relationship with BRICS is actually good despite them probably arresting them if he shows up? What would make a bad relationship in your eyes?

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hasn't Lula already declared Putin is free to enter Brazil regardless of international law and potential sanctions?

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 2 points 1 year ago

We’ll see if he’s still dictator in a year to take advantage of that!

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 1 points 1 year ago

Lula walked this back literally just today btw.