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Most of the video games I’ve played were pretty good. The only one I can think of that I didn’t like was MySims Kingdom for the Nintendo DS. Dropped that pretty quickly. It was a long while ago, but I’ll guess it was because there were too many fetch quests and annoying controls.

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[–] woelkchen@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Vampire Survivor.

I began playing it after so much praise from all over the place and it just uses predatory tactics to hook the gamer. I only had fun with the game for maybe a day or so but overall clocked in many more hours of hate-playing. The only good thing is that the developer (who's background is developing gambling games) does not use those tactics for microtransactions.

Once I deleted the game, I was never even tempted to go back.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's a big question though

What's the difference between predatory tactics to hook people into a game, and "normal" gameplay, whatever that is? If neither cost any money or have microtransactions in any way?

Is Diablo 2 using predatory mechanics? Is Counter Strike? Is Factorio?

Games are artificial constructs. If you deconstruct them entirely, unless they got some story to tell as the center point of the game, their mechanics and goals are entirely artificial and constructed to get you to keep playing, be engaged, and have fun, whatever that means and implies.

Because, well, in the end, games do not have a grand purpose. Their purpose is entertainment(or be art, but not all games have that goal). And so if vampire survivors keep you engaged and enjoy the game... Is that really that much different to other games? Another example to this are idle/incremental games, as a pure distillation of what games are. Are they predatory? Is there really much difference from the very core of other, more "proper", games?

[–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A game can offer an experience that leaves the player feeling satisfied or at least content with how they spent their time. There is a large space of possible interactive experiences that extend far beyond the simple dichotomy of fun vs educational or productive.

A game can certainly be considered predatory if it exploits psychological vulnerabilities to hook someone on engaging gameplay that gives the player very little in return in terms of fulfillment or mental recovery. Whether or not it takes the opportunity to swindle the player on top of that is a matter of degree in severity. Wasting a player's time (or worse, induce stress or other harmful mental states for no good reason) is not a particularly nice thing to do.

[–] allocsb@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Really? I guess you could consider the game's visual flair to be predatory that way but I always felt that stuff was a joke because it doesn't have microtransactions

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not seeing how anything in the game could be considered predatory in the slightest...super confused on this.

[–] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Predatory usually implies that you're being lured in to buy something, but the game has no microtransactions. At its worst the mobile version (which is free) has the option to watch an ad to get 1 revive per run. Don't watch the ad? The game is the same as the console/PC version.

I think the lights, sounds, slaughtering massive hordes of enemies with overwhelming damage, and constant dopamine rush from them could certainly be predatory in nature if they were used to bait you into buying microtransactions, but that's not the case here. I see where they're coming from, but I can't necessarily agree.

[–] Droechai@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Aren't vampires predatory by definition though?

[–] AkumaFoxwell@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

(who’s background is developing gambling games)

Sure, he worked in the sector, but that's because he couldn't find better jobs. What you're implying here is really unfair, especially considering there aren't even any microtransactions in the game. As far as I know, he just made a game that he felt was fun.