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[–] davidauz@feddit.it 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an Italian, I can assure you that the structure of our government is good, the Constitution is top-notch, and the whole system is a masterpiece of art.

Unfortunately, the entire thing is plagued by politicians, so it is falling apart.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the entire thing is plagued by politicians, so it is falling apart.

Then the structure of your government is trash.

[–] davidauz@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course it may be, but after studying other types of government I am still convinced that ours is quite good. My point is that no matter how good a government is, at the end of the day it is run by people, and people are not perfect.

[–] smstnitc@lemmy2.addictmud.org 1 points 1 year ago

People ~~are not perfect~~ suck

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hell no. There are some within it that do, but they don't get any real power. The ones who crave power get power.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

No, the purpose of government is to preserve what they deem as "order". For example, the US government is trying to preserve its own existance and preserve the status quo. They conduct surveillance and interfere with extremist groups, both left and right (although they seem to target left-wing groups more often). Governments uphold core principles they value. In the US, the Constitution are those core principles, a Republic of the People that has varying degrees of democracy over time. In China, it's Marxism-Leninism (although their ideology has been shifting to Maoism, Dengism, and now Xi-ism?). In many middle east countries, it's Islamic Theocracy.

Governments with elements of democracy tend to "care about your best interests" more often than authoritarian ones, but its more about the core principles rather than the people running the government them selves. Over time, the people in government can shape it's core principles.

In summary, governments uphold a set of core values that may or may not be in the interest of the people, depending on whether or not the core principles allign with the core principles of what the people believe.

[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

USA...government only cares about protecting corporate interests. Public safety and welfare is only considered when it can be used as a smokescreen to further corporate agenda. That's what I think and you won't talk me out of it.

[–] palindrome@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

No, our government only cares about profiting off the expense of other people and shilling out to corporations.

-Good ole US of A

[–] Duchess@yiffit.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

England, absolutely not. those tory motherfuckers would kill me to make a profit and that's barely an exaggeration

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 7 points 1 year ago

It depends a lot which country, and who's elected, and what the voter base is demanding.

I can personally compare Québec, Canada vs Denver, USA.

The US government, I feel like it truely doesn't give a shit about individual people. Only profits and corporations. Québec has a ton of social programs, they kinda suck out of massive incompetence, but they do exist. You're not gonna get sick and go bankrupt and then homeless. Unemployment is much more accessible. There's always welfare to back you up if you end up in deep shit, it's tight but it'll feed you, sort of. I feel like the Canadian government generally tries to fight for the people, some would say at the cost of the economy, whatever, we're alive and fine.

I don't exactly feel like my taxes are used well especially at the 52% bracket, but I do feel like I get some out of it, whereas in the US you just kinda have to pay 12 different for profit companies to get anything.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 year ago

That's hilarious! I'll do one!

Do you think they're actually sorry when you're on hold and the voice says 'we're sorry for the delay, a customer service rep will be with you shortly'?

[–] AdaShovelace@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I'm transgender, so, that would be a no from me

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

A government/country is an "it", an abstract entity; it is not a living human being, and cannot "care" about anything.

People working in that government care may or may not care about you, enough to change the behaviour of that government in a way that benefits you. But odds are that they don't.

And, just in case that the government in question is the one I pay taxes to (Brazil): the people in said government care about you as much as they care about a milking cow in a battery farm.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago
[–] kool_newt 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As another commenter mentioned, the government (the state) is not a person and cannot care.

Government and the state are tools. The thing about some tools is that they are really only useful towards certain ends. The state is fundamentally a tool of maintaining and expanding power. While it's possible for those with power to do some good things, their overall effect is to allow the domination of most by the few.

Government requires a state to function, a state as in a subset of the population claiming exclusive acceptable use of force in a given area.

[–] mattreb@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

Government care that you are in the condition to pay as much taxes as possible. Which honestly is not bad, considering how selfish humans are...

[–] animist@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

"Governments are just bodies of people, usually notably ungoverned."

Absolutely not

[–] stonedemoman@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago

Congress has proven to me over and over again that they don't, it's not about what I believe anymore.

[–] cityboundforest 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, and I also don't tip at restaurants because I know that the restaurant pays their workers a fair wage and my tip shouldn't matter, especially if I don't have the money.

It should be noted that I work in the restaurant business.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

As a whole? Maybe. As individuals, I think some do and some don’t. As a whole, I think the government is designed in a way that responds to my interests, which is about as close to “caring” that a non-sentient system can get.

[–] iamhazel 1 points 1 year ago

Nobody who takes joy and pride in bombing black and brown kids–and the US government most certainly does–is capable of caring for anyone. Don't even need to look at how they treat their own citizens, it's irrelevant (and wouldn't help).

[–] communist 1 points 1 year ago

Does anyone other than the super wealthy actually think that?

[–] gaytswiftfan 1 points 1 year ago

the government isn't a singular entity so this is kinda a loaded question.

at a local level there are definitely more people with our interests in mind than there are in upper levels of government, but yes I do believe that overall there is a majority trying to work in our best interest.

unfortunately there's a powerful minority working for their own self interests, and another large group of people who are well intentioned but misinformed.

[–] killeik 0 points 1 year ago

The government is only as interested as I personally can influence the government. Almost not at all, but if they do something absolutely harmful to everyone, the government will have to listen to the people.

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