I am really tired of this piece of shit getting himself involve in things that he have no remote understanding of.
this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
209 points (100.0% liked)
Europe
106 readers
1 users here now
News/Interesting Stories/Beautiful Pictures from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: Thunder mountain, Germany, 🇩🇪 ) Feel free to post submissions for banner pictures
Rules
(This list is obviously incomplete, but it will get expanded when necessary)
- Be nice to each other (e.g. No direct insults against each other);
- No racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities or glorification of National Socialism allowed;
- No posts linking to mis-information funded by foreign states or billionaires.
Also check out !yurop@lemm.ee
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
His family made their fortune because of Apartheid. It makes sense that he'd sympathize with the occupiers.
He is pretty fascist, so its no wonder he sides with them.
Ukraine should put him on their list of Russian propagandists
Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck ignorant lazy billionaires. The mega wealthy are ALL the problems wrong with this world.
yep especially the arrogance. sure he can share his wisdom, but maybe first go for an internship in the ukrainian army, little elon 😉 then I'll take it seriously
What a joke of a man
Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.
urging the world to 'sympathize with the Russian occupiers'
And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.
Elon Musk's 'advice' to 'stop resisting Russia'
Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.
He “advised” Volodymyr Zelenskyy to abandon the counteroffensive and agree to peace talks with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.
Most of this is just general "war is bad for everyone" and the old "the ones fighting the war aren't the one who want the war". It's true but it's also really nothing new or especially smart.
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that
This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:
- Ukraine is the one deciding for this war to happen
- All that would be needed to stop this war would be talking with putin about a truce
- Putin attacking Ukraine is sort of a "higher power" like a natural catastrophe that just has to be accepted
It also completely ignores a few things:
- The lines are only this stable because Ukrainians risk and lose their lives every day to defend them. Stopping this would mean a truce would be no longer negotiable. Because why would Putin suddenly stop the efforts to move the lines once resistance has stopped?
- Putin is the one responsible for Ukrainians going into this war and dying at the frontlines, just as he is responsible for the russian soldiers that are dying there
Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.
Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn't want to fight in this war.
So, yeah. The article accurately represents the source, based on the quotes you shared. There's a lot more appealing to people's emotions in the source, but he's still saying the same thing.
Exactly. It’s all sympathy for the devil platitudes.
"Think of the flower of Ukrainian youth!" sounds much better than "stop resisting and let the Russians occupy part of your country", though
He's not wrong
He is mistaken in it not being Russia’s choice
It’s not the choice of the Ukrainian boys because they are being invaded
The invaders do have the choice to march against Moscow
Why dont you go march against Washington then over their support for Israel.
Easier said than done
Not American but why would I support Hamas? Israel is more tolerable of gays 👈👈 (best I could do for finger guns)
And I’m not the one killing Palestinians so it’s not comparable
Having said that there has already been a march on Moscow that they could have joined
They aren't being conscripted into a war, so your analogy doesn't work.
If I was forced to fight, I'd rather turn on the one that forces me than on the ones they tell me to fight.
This war isn't going to stop until Putin gets threatened to do so by his own population.
Because the west sure as hell isn't going to let Ukraine just roll over and let Russia get away with yet an other territory that does not belong to them.
I think he wants Ukraine to fold so he can peddle his shitty inventions to Russia without pesky sanctions getting in the way, whilst styling himself as a great diplomat.
That he disabled Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian offensive already showed as much.
45 people upvoting misinformation.
Quote from Walter Isaacson, the author of the book this claim originated from:
To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.
Starlink was totally fine with being used for defensive purposes. Is recovering Russia occupied Crimea not a defensive act?
Also that war was already raging on.
Also I wasn't quoting any book. I was online when this shit happened. Preventing a drone strike against a Russian naval fleet in the black sea.
Your claim was that he disabled it. He did not disable it. It was not enabled in the first place. Enabling it would be against US sanctions to Russia.
"Stop resisting and just sympathize" is also how Elon Musk got ten kids.
This is, was this POS thought all along and is another proof for his total lack of empathy and inability to think ahead.
The world should sympathise with the idea of sending Muskrat with an one way ticket to Mars.
Can we start a movement to incentivize one politician or someone with a lot of representation behind them to simple tell the bird brain to "sit down, shut up and stay still"?
Do humanity a double service and fly to Mars.
And stay there.
Man typical asshole moment
On the other hand: This news article is crap. why not actually read the interview Musk gave: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-4-transcript After having read the part about Ukraine, my interpretation would rather be: Even an idiot like Musk is able to give a pretty good analysis of what‘s happening in a war like this.