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[–] peter@feddit.uk 151 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The metaverse died because it didn't mean anything, there was no clear thing you could point to and say "this is the metaverse". It was a collection of buzzwords designed to sell a dream to investors and nothing more.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As a developer who loves to tinker with web stuff, I feel most of the tech scene and Silicon Valley are full of people who went into development just for the money. I almost see it every day.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it wasn't always the case. I was in the Silicon Valley in the 2000's and it was full of techies who really believed in the open web, and even Google was a proponent of open standards.

A few years later it seems like the tech matured enough that being technically savvy was no longer necessary to be a successful founder. Slowly it stopped being about technical innovations and became about raising money, product marketing, A/B testing, etc.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

Selling dreams to VCs has long been the game, but VCs started getting dumber and greedier as all the low hanging opportunities were used up. So tech startups had to make sillier and sillier claims and business plans to keep raking in VC dough.

Subscriptions have been big VC keywords for the last 7-8 years, as data harvesting started to be monopolized by a few big owners. Ads are trying to make a comeback as subscription fatigue sets in, which is why blockers are being targeted lately.

I’m not looking forward to the next method of extracting wealth from the masses in trade for VC investment. Probably another form of slavery or subjugation they haven’t found a way to hide yet.

[–] t3rmit3 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the cycle of co-option that takes place with any career that becomes profitable.

A lot of people don't realize that computers and programming in general were seen as "women's work" or "nerd shit" until especially the dotcom boom, and career women and nerds (of all genders) were displaced in favor of MBA-bros who the VCs and CEOs didn't disdain (not by being forced out, but by not being given the jobs and funding; the "paper ceiling" is often used for this).

Machine learning and crypto were also relegated to being "nerd shit" in their nascent years, and now look who populates those particular spaces: non-technical MBA-bros and snake oil salesmen trying to cash in on the hype (and building on the uncompensated work of others... in machine learning's case, quite literally so).

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

I feel the same way. They’re in it to become a unicorn and get a big exit. They don’t care about making good software, just profitable software. The vibe in Silicon Valley stopped being hackers and became bankers.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

Silicon Valley has become a vehicle to secure VC funding. They've forgotten that is just step 2.

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[–] SkepticElliptic 30 points 1 year ago

"Metaverse" was the idea that you would use only Meta services instead of the wider Internet. Much like AOL and Yahoo tried back in the 90s and 00s.

[–] Thrashy 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not strictly true that it didn't mean anything, but I would say that it consisted of a couple weakly-defined and often mutually incompatible visions is what could be.

Meta thought they could sell people on the idea of spending hundreds of dollars on specialized hardware to allow them to do real life things, but in a shitty Miiverse alternate reality where every activity was monetized to help Zuck buy the rest of the Hawaiian archipelago for himself.

Cryptobros thought the Metaverse was going to be a decentralized hyper-capitalist utopia where they could live their best lives driving digital Lambos and banging their harem of fawning VR catgirl hotties after they all made their billions selling links to JPEGs of cartoon monkeys to each other.

Everybody else conflated the decentralized part of the cryptobros' vision with the microtransactionalized walled garden of Meta's implementation, and then either saw dollar signs and scrambled to get a grift going, or ran off to write think pieces about a wholly-imaginary utopia or dystopia they saw arising from that unholy amalgamation.

In reality, Meta couldn't offer a compelling alternative to real life, and the cryptobros didn't have the funds or talent to actually make their Snow Crash fever dream a reality, so for now the VR future remains firmly the domain of VRChat enthusiasts, hardcore flight simmers, and niche technical applications.

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[–] whodatdair@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

This was the best illustration of that. Years and years of effort for some cash-grab that never happened.

[–] online@lemmy.ml 91 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It never died, because it already existed for fucking years: Active Worlds from 1995 is where I started, Second Life later, now the dominant "metaverse" is VR Chat.

The corporate simpletons just never did their homework to see what the market is like for this.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The word is meaningless, nothing like the metaverse as described in snowcrash ever existed. If you’re talking about a multiplayer game that tries to mimic the real word then you’re right. But that’s not what the metaverse actually is…or what the word stood for, before being ripped to shreds as a buzzword.

[–] online@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah they (Facebook) chose the word as a form of marketing to rebrand something that already existed. It's similar to how we went from "machine learning" to "AI".

[–] Craftkorb@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

That's the thing I hate: the word AI is being misused. It's not a buzzword, at least it wasn't supposed to be. It's artifical intelligence, not in the sense of having a brain but in the sense of being an intelligent algorithm solving an issue. The path finder algorithm A* (A Star) is in this group. Machine learning is a sub category of AI, nothing less.

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[–] creamed_eels@toast.ooo 12 points 1 year ago

Is SL still around? I left my partially nude Darth Vader wearing a banana thong in someone’s art gallery and haven’t been back

Exactly, they should have included fursonas IMMEDIATELY if they wanted it to work.

Even basic market research should have told them this.

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[–] Butterbee 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't fun just defined as "a period of user base growth followed by extracting every last dollar possible in an exponential growth pattern forever and ever because that's totally possible mhm it totally is!" to them?

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It died for the exact same reason every single aspect of life is getting shittier and shittier. Shareholders. When a company is publicly traded, it has NO CHOICE but to get worse and worse and worse, because shareholders will accept NOTHING beyond continuous growth. If you lose value in the market, they will run for the hills, if you plateau they will run, if you suddenly start making even slightly smaller gains, they will run. They are the sole reason for every decision, and because of that, every single decision will be a detriment to both employees and consumers. Underneath all the bullshit, this is why everything will go to shit eventually unless it is both privately held and by people with good intentions, which is rare to find tied together.

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[–] java 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The question implies that it was alive at some point. Was it though? All I know about Metaverse is that a lot of "tech" journalists were writing about it, but I don't know anyone who used it. And I owned a Meta Quest 2 for 6 months.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is no metaverse. There’s VR games and multiplayer games, and metaverse became a word for anything that remotely touched any of these or that’s even remotely vaguely related. 3D assets → metaverse. Online game → metaverse. Video call → metaverse.

If you’re talking about Horizon Worlds, that’s a multiplayer game/social experience. Nothing about this is a "metaverse" as it is described in the book where that word came from.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It never even existed and was this ambiguous buzzword that got way too much traction.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

This is the only true answer here.

Even Meta themselves said they want to "build the metaverse", at that point the word still had a somewhat clear definition. It then became a bullshit buzzword and lost all meaning. Now even Meta is using the word as a synonym for "VR" or "Multiplayer", which has nothing to do with the snow crash definition of the word.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The main problem is that they only focused on how much money they could make, and forgot to make it somewhere people actually wanted to be. Basically the developer equivalent of "here's the deal, you do something for me-" then they never finish the sentence.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They did the reverse enshitification, do it shit first and then.... wait what then?

That said...it is VR although is getting bigger still plenty of people without headsets or people with issues with them.

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[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly this. When you read about the metaverse in something like Snow Crash, it's a place built by enthusiasts, very cheap to use, and people have the choice of DIY, or paying someone to do things for them.

In the facebook's version, everything but connecting costs money, and it's all done by facebook.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

i would add cost as a barrier to entry. as cheap as the hardware it, it needed a more heavily subsidized distribution.

apple only exists because they practically gave away equipment en masse to school districts as the market became flooded with 'ibm compatibles'
they built an entire generation of apple-loving folks by dumping huge amounts of money/resources into those programs.

[–] falsem@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They almost died after that. Jobs putting colored plastic on the outside of Macs saved them.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Well, and them replacing the rotting husk of MacOS 9 with a bastardized version of NeXTSTEP. That kinda helped, too.

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[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

The Metaverse died because everyone knows Mark Zuckerberg isn’t trustworthy and really had no plan.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If there was any potential in a "metaverse", it would be picked up by people who know how to make something fun. In Silicon Valley or somewhere else.

That's not happening because the metaverse is pointless. Most people prefer having multiple tabs in a browser to do online shopping, chatting with friends, etc rather than moving a 3D avatar from a virtual supermarket to a virtual cafe.

[–] drlecompte@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If computer interaction benefited from being more 'like reality', then Microsoft Bob or any of the countless other attempts to create a reality- and/or 3D-based computer interface, would have caught on long ago.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There's no use case for the metaverse that gives it any more value than a video conference. But I can set up a video conference for free, while the metaverse is set up to constantly extract money from the user. On top of that, the barrier to entry is too high in both cost and practicality. I can buy a high quality webcam for a fraction of the price of a VR headset, and I don't have to strap it to my face just to have a meeting.

In order to justify the cost of being in the metaverse, there has to be a value return that makes it worthwhile - something that can't be replicated with other simpler and cheaper options. Right now, the metaverse is a platform run by grifters ripping off other wannabe grifters and the gullible.

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[–] HerrLewakaas@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The metaverse was stillborn.

It was the hype for like 4 weeks and was dead before it even existed

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The metaverse could be successful but it needs to be a protocol not a proprietary product by one company, least of all Facebook.

Right now anyone can make a website if they know how to program one. It can be hosted on any number of services or you can host it yourself if you have the hardware. Your website can look like anything, have any functionality you want, be as complex as you want, be as large as you want. You can use website builders or you can go entirely custom. There is a huge range of options.

What now needs to happen is that same thing for the metaverse. It needs to be a standard programming language or set of programming languages that people can learn, that will enable them to build experiences. Those experiences should be hostable on any old server and a routeing protocol needs to be developed so that people can access them without having to worry about the underlying infrastructure. Second Life does a very good job of modifying the web URL concept to work for virtual worlds, just copy that. There also needs to be a standardised API for returning feedback responses and querying available interfaces (vibration motors, speakers, lights, force resistance motors etc) that all headsets and interaction devices use.

Perhaps some kind of federation service that enables different servers to interact with each other for transferring items from one environment to another and making sure that they make sense in all environments.

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[–] thepaperpilot 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this article makes reasonable sense. Also that quote from Spez is so disheartening. Glad I'm not on reddit anymore

[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God, they even want to make leisure time into a side hustle. Is it so much to ask that they let me not think about my participation in capital for like, two hours?

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[–] sculd 14 points 1 year ago

VR Chat is still here and doing well. Its good for niche stuff. When the tech is ready maybe it can reach the mass, but the current tech is not ready yet.

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Was the metaverse ever alive? All I ever saw were posts about what the metaverse could be, but I never even knew it was an actual thing that existed.

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[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Engineers make Star Trek tech because people want to live in Star Trek. No one (besides Zuck) wants to live in Ready Player One.

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[–] apotheotic 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I misread the headline as "Stardew Valley" and it was a real headscratcher

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[–] fbmac@lemmy.fbmac.net 10 points 1 year ago

I don't think it was ever born to have died. I think they grossly overestimated how much this tech would improve

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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