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[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 99 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's been 17 years since the last election. Assuming only 18 and up could vote, that means only people current around 34 and up could vote. So the bulk of Palestinians didn't even have a chance to vote in that election. Not to mention that they were given the choice between a corrupt faction (Fatah) and a possible less corrupt faction (Hamas).

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago

I am so afraid this message is getting lost. There has been a deliberate push to paint this latest incident to be the reason that neighborhoods had to be flattened and civilians slaughtered.

[–] fox@unilem.org 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

By not revolting against Hamas, they are actively supporting them.

You're either with our against the terrorists. There's no in-between.

By not actively revolting all of America was responsible for Abu Ghraib?

[–] Podunk@lemmyfly.org 21 points 1 year ago

You do know what a false dichotomy is, right?

[–] newtraditionalists 2 points 1 year ago

Which terrorists? The Israeli ones or the Palestinian ones?

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[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 48 points 1 year ago

Here here. At least somebody has some fucking balls. Perhaps because it's not a mess they created.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 1 year ago
[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Haven’t surveys shown that a majority of Palestinians support Hamas?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago

Sure but you try being killed and kicked out of your homes. I'm sure you would not like the people who are doing it either. Israel has created this mess.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 year ago

Hamas kills anyone who doesn't bow to them, including Palestinians.

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I mean if you live in a country controlled by a terrorist group that kills anyone who is not their side, and someone goes to your door and asks if you support them... What would you say?

It's easy to dismiss this issue by thinking they have the same freedom of speech as we do in the west, and they can have political opinions without any repercussion.

Same can be said about north Korea.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Hamas is the only group in this world standing up for the Palestinian people, so I would support them too, we're I locked up in that open air prison, my family and friends being constantly murdered for profit.

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I think elections showed Vladimir Putin won with >90% of the vote.

Kim Jong Un also seems to enjoy the support of his people.

[–] wick@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is Spain offering asylum to Palestinians? Because that's the only thing that will help those people.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

They have to be able to leave Gaza in order to receive asylum.

Gaza is pretty much an open air prison that you can't really leave all that easily.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes we can. These people are fighting over religion. Fucking religion.

If you're religious, you're part of the problem. All sides suck.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Spoken like someone who has never faced a day of adversity in their entire life.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

The mass downvoting on comments on this thread shows that the Islamophobes are brigading.

There is literally nothing to disagree with, other than if you object to Muslim/Palestinian people existing.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh but we can. Oh but we will.

The last bit of sympathy the west had for Muslims vanished after 9/11. The US helped them out as much as it benefited them in Afghanistan against the Russians, and we had a last hurrah for Kosovo when they were being massacred by the Serbs.

But that's gone now. You've gone from slightly insular neighbours, to terrifying beardy men with hooks for hands who hate our way of life. That's Bin Laden's legacy.

Western support for Israel is far from unanimous, but our indifference to Palestine is. Israel could bomb Gaza to dust and bulldoze it into the sea, and at this point the most you'll hear from us is a stern "steady on lads".

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I don’t know who exactly the “we” and “you” are referring to in your comment. But the Irish have been long been supporters of the Palestinian people no doubt due to their experience during the Troubles. I’d say the British people (not necessarily the government) support Palestine too. My brother has been to a number of pro-Palestine marches in the UK before this latest escalation of violence.