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I ask because I've been doing a lot of research the last few weeks and Google search has really let me down. I've been finding better results on DuckDuckGo and Bing. Is this a recent thing with Google or am I out of the loop? Any other search recommendations?

Edit: In no particular order, some recommended alternatives to Google
SearXNG
Whoogle
Ecosia
Brave
Dogpile
DuckDuckGo
Kagi
Swiss Cows
Qwant
Bing

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[–] BrikoX@vlemmy.net 44 points 1 year ago (10 children)

DuckDuckGo uses Bing results. Also DuckDuckGo is not your friend.

I personally use SearXNG for best results. Public instance list.

[–] corytheboyd@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That article is about their web browser. Agree that it doesn’t exactly instill confidence that their search engine is squeaky clean. Regardless, DDG results are much more useful than Google results, as the entire first page isn’t ads.

[–] Catch42@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. It was an interesting read and gives me doubts, but it's undoubtably better than using google and I can set it to my default search engine in safari

Iwould honestly not use Safari either. Mozilla Firefox is the way to go (unless you're on iOS where there actually is no real choice, although the probably still better to use the Firefox front end)

[–] tivasyk@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

«DDG results are much more useful than Google results» -- not if one is searching in anything but english; not sure for english either (had very poor results myself whenever i tried it) but at least can't disprove it.

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[–] Cap@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

@BrikoX Thanks for that link on DuckDuckGo - interesting read.

[–] Darkrai@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the link on SearXNG never heard of that before.

Yeah although this is specifically the Duckduckgo web Browser rather than their search site. The only web browser to use is Firefox, set up the privacy and tracking settings correctly plus add in privacy extensions.

Duckduckgo website doesn't track you in the same way, but still it is a company and should not be treated as a virtuous entity.

[–] enigmatic_cloud@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I honestly went back to Google after seeing every fucking link in DuckDuckGo behind MSN. Almost every alternative search has Microsoft’s claws in them.

Glad to see a potential alternative in SearXNG. Thanks for the info.

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[–] Glome@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

For me searxng hasn't been working (tried multiple instances, throws mixed errors). I've been using whoogle and it works pretty well.

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[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah there is definitely something going wrong with Google. I noticed that the search results got much worse in the last weeks. Either it's full of SEO Blog Spam, or it straight out doesn't find anything. Especially for technical error messages it stopped finding results. I have to directly look on Github or Stackoverflow now.

[–] tal@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

The SEO spamming-the-Internet-with-AI-generated-websites crowd has been pulling ahead in the arms race with Google, I think. They've been making up more and more of the results.

[–] briefingWizard936@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can't be bothered to turn off my VPN and since Google Search is dropping CAPTCHA bombs on me every time I try to access it I dropped it. I Throughout the week I rotate between Startpage, DuckDuckGo and Bing. However lately I'm more inclined to use Bing Chat and ChatGPT.

[–] RodPhoto@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same, captcha was unbearable when using VPN so I just went to Bing. Fuck Google.

[–] asteroidrainfall@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Honestly, Bing is unironically good. I started using it because I wanted to play around with Bing Chat back when that was in beta. Before that I was a believer in more privacy focused search. It’s funny, since they limit the chat to Edge I never even use it.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I started dropping services that ask CAPTCHA every time... shit is so fucking annoying. They treat us like idiots and most of us just take it.

Got to vote with our feet!

[–] escapedgoat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who works in IT Security, the captchas are a necessary evil at this point. Without captchas, sites get slammed with millions invalid or malicious requests every hour. The sites I work with will see error traffic spike 3000% or more from credential stuffing attacks alone. These attacks are so highly distributed that simple IP tracking and banning all but ineffective anymore. And about 99.99% of the malicious traffic comes from VPNs and hosting providers. Unfortunately botnets and the people that run them are getting smarter and smarter about constructing the traffic to avoid bot detection.

tldr; the most effective tool to keep a site up and running and accounts secure is unfortunately captchas for VPN users.

[–] briefingWizard936@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

My ISP puts us behind country wide CGNATs. So if a site bans an IP it's possible they'll turn the lights out for a whole region.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Absolutely.

I think there's two issues.
One is that Google's search has gotten a LOT less useful over the last few years. I blame enshittification- it used to just search for whatever you typed in, now there's a lot of 'you typed X but we think you might mean Y' type stuff that produces tons of irrelevant results. You can turn on Verbatim mode and that helps a little but it's still not 'just search for what I fucking typed in and not something else'.
The real advent of enshittification was when Google+ the social network came out- they removed + as a search operator and now you have to enclose something in quotes for 'must include'. It's been going downhill since then.

The other is that Google is either losing an arms race or simply not trying to weed out SEO spam sites. So you ask a question like 'error 0x0000001b blue screen' and you get pages and pages of 'how to solve error 0x0000001b [FIXED]' that are just 'error 0x0000001b is a common error lots of people have, it can be caused by many things, to fix it reboot your computer and if that doesn't work try safe mode and if that doesn't work try OfficialDriverFixRegistryCleanupUtility.exe number one free recommended utility to solve all system problems' (only spread out over 3 pages).
Or you get a bunch of 10 minute videos that illustrate a 20 second fix.
No thanks.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I spent years honing my google-fu only to see it become completely useless when google apparently decided that it was no longer interested in returning actually useful results and would instead return nothing but ads and a random assortment of clickbait in which one single word matches one of my search terms.

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[–] sadreality@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google is a trash company. although Maps and Youtube are strong products that are hard to replace. Search and email have been enshittified over last decade like no other.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

maps was ruined compared to what it used to be. I can't remember when but I found it super useful and then one day they changed some stuff and doing stuff just became crap.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Popups. Any time you open Maps app now, you get a "latest in area" popup that's some local events but mostly just sponsored ads.

[–] Cap@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

@sadreality Maps and Youtube are strong products

Agree 100%

[–] kuontom@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google Search has been accusing me of being a robot a lot lately, making me solve a bajillion captchas. So I've stopped using search engines entirely. I've bookmarked a lot of the sites I regularly visit and have realized I don't really need Google, apart from for getting the correct links to said websites because I can't remember their .orgs and .coms.

[–] throwmeinthekbin@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I think Google search hitched their wagon to Reddit (whether involuntary or not is up for debate) and now it's coming around and biting them in the ass. The "hack" of sticking Reddit or using the tag "site:reddit.com" to the end of whatever your search query was has long been figured out by the masses and I can't help but think the search algorithm has been trained to look there more often by default as a lazy way of doing SEO.

Now that Reddit is rotting from the inside, Google is really having to scramble to do something and fix their SEO spam issues and build trust in their results. What is already a not so great product at the moment in Google Search will soon turn into a bad one if they aren't careful. I think they have coasted for so long as being the default since there was no one else that could challenge them. But with ChatGPT and other LLMs quickly improving, Google has a real danger of losing their biggest cash cow in Seach. Hell if they aren't careful, they could even find their way to non-existence since so much of their revenue comes from serving ads and search listings.

They're really at a turning point and need to be extremely careful in how they move from here. With their recent track record and what they've shown with things like the current Search debacle they're in, Bard, how they've managed Android hardware and software the last decade, etc., I'm not so sure they can do it.

[–] Yinchie@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I stopped using Google when I became more aware of privacy concerns.
Also first page is horrible, mostly sponsored/ads related links.

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[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For about the last year and a half Google results have been less useful - so yes it's fairly recent(-ish).

Especially for tech stuff. We used to have Reddit to turn to as an alternative, but now that's not working.

https://www.dexerto.com/tech/google-admits-reddit-blackout-tanked-search-results-2191128/ - e.g. the Senior VP for searching in Google even admits that Google is not as good anymore, somewhat as a result of the Reddit issue but that was only propping up the problem that Google itself caused, by allowing SEO (Search Engine Optimization) to rank predatory webpages over real ones with actual content.

I don't know of any solutions to this. I was thinking to search on places individually - like SlackOverflow, but now that company too is having a strike from its volunteer workforce just like Reddit. Google, Twitter, Reddit, Slackoverflow, they all are having MAJOR issues right now, as a result of not wanting to pay their workers and get something for nothing.

So they are turning to AI to solve their problems. AI doesn't understand shit, and in its current form simply parrots the answers that it gets elsewhere, without proper context or anything, or even acknowledging at all where the original content came from. So now as the sources of true content are drying up, and the well having been poisoned, true information is suddenly much more rare and precious than it ever was, yet harder to find than ever before as it is mixed in with all the sewage of people vomiting up their emotions, and actively upvoting things like snarky answers or memes rather than "real" ones.

The information age seems to be over, and in this Late Stage Capitalism we are now entering a new era, whatever it's called (maybe disinformation age?).

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[–] saint11@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google is mostly ads and robots now, I use it mostly for typing website names, not for actually searching things.
For searching things I'm testing kagi (http://www.kagi.com) which is not free, but not being ad-driven is an interesting concept for me.

[–] tensquiggles@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

This looks like a very interesting option but the pricing seems bananas. Early adoption and spreading the word would be driven by power users who are easily above 1,000 searches per month....and 25$ per month is a lot just for search.

[–] GayReptilianSlut@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've heard good things about Kagi on here. I started trying it last night. It seems good but I haven't really used it a lot yet personally though.

[–] UnshavedYak@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I've been on Kagi for a couple months now. Very happy with it. Generally unless i think the problem is small and easy (search is not, imo) i want to pay for servers in an attempt to not be "the product". So i like Kagi on that. It's search results are good too, especially after having used DDG for a couple years (iirc? time flies)

[–] Calcharger@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

When I have specific questions that I want to have expanded on, I use GPT4 and then do some reference checking on Google

[–] explodingboy@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Switched to DuckDuckGo a while ago. Used to be able to get much better results by adding "site:reddit.com" to the search phrase. Esp. when searching for technical information or solutions to problems.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Google's search results have been second-guessed 'not what you were looking for', SEO crap and minimum-quality filler for a long time. Putting Reddit in as a search option was about the only thing that kept it usable, and now that everyone's deleting their comments and leaving, that's going to go to shit as well.

For me, when I'm trying trying to recall a song name, and you search for "song lyrics" then half the words in the chorus, Google just won't help you any more. That put me off it years ago, have been on DDG since.

[–] Kobrah@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have mostly transitioned to Ecosia (which uses Bing) for most of my searches. I got sick of irrelevant results and half the screen covered by Google asking me to log in.

[–] wurzelwerk@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Cap@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

@wurzelwerk Did a search on some car issues I'm having and the first link was better than anything on the first page of Google.

[–] Yewb@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

When I do use google I almost immediately go to the second page, like I dont even read the adverts im immune to it.

[–] Fiddler@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Switched to DuckDuckGo years ago. Using Google only occasionally. Recently I have been distancing myself from both, using a combination of search.brave.com (works at least as good as DDG) and SearXNG.

[–] corytheboyd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I haven’t used it as my main search engine in years. VERY rarely I escape hatch to google search for weird queries. That used to sometimes work, now it never seems to work (or my queries have gotten more niche over time hah)

I've been using it less because I constantly get challenged with captchas when trying to use it with my VPN. I like DDG's privacy, but I'm not fond of it as a search engine. I heard good things about Brave search. I've been using their browser for about a year, so I may as well give their search engine a try.

[–] a-man-from-earth@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I haven't used Google Search in years.

[–] callyral@readit.buzz 2 points 1 year ago

I use Ecosia, not sure if it's the best for privacy but I think that it's better than Google on that regard. They also plant trees so that's nice.

[–] nobodyspecial@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

This may be confirmation bias, but I was thinking much the same thing before seeing your post, over the same time frame (last few weeks/days). Could be people are getting better at manipulating Google's algorithm, could be something else. But I've stopped going to Google as my first choice, getting much better results with Duck Duck Go (which is Bing I think).

[–] poo@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah - as someone who mindlessly would google code syntax all day while working, ChatGPT has taken over that duty (and is doing a much better job at it)

[–] ApollosArrow@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Google search has been going down gradually year by year for the last decade for me. My searches have now devolved to just having google search Reddit, like most people now. I recently started using Brave and I liked that it was recapping information for me. DuckDuckGo has been hit or Miss. I’ve started seeing people me toon SearX, which I need to try.

I wish there were a search engine that prioritized searching through places like Reddit, stack exchange, Quora, etc. vs the random clickbait websites trying to sell Amazon links.

[–] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Swiss Cows users: there are dozens of us!

[–] aussiematt@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I tend to use Brave search, since it is the default in by browser. Sometimes I don't get good results, and will go to another search engine. Google has become a bit unreliable though, since they started integrating these "ChatGPT"-style responses. These AI systems often seem to just make stuff up, and you really can't rely on the information at all.

[–] chimay@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

i've been using ddg, searx and others for years, sometimes startpage when i really need g** restults

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