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[–] HadManySons@lemmy.bond 118 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Only if you don't know what Cloudlfare does. It protects against all kinds of attacks.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My negative experiences as an end user take priority over any positive experience told to me by a third party in a usage case that doesn't apply to me.

[–] hai@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the time that a site is using Cloudflare you’ve likely not noticed and it has improved your experience.

[–] taanegl 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're all circle jerking around the problem. Proxy DNS and CDN's should be decentralised into standard protocols and not centralised into one company, for what should be obvious reasons (privacy being one of them).

I use CloudFlare on my websites and I feel like I don't have a choice. The fact that it's free to use proxy DNS is the kicker here, and the big selling point behind the DDoS protections. But the milliseconds CF DNS and page caching shave off page loads is also dangerous, because now it becomes mandatory if your websites are actually competing against someone else.

Again: this is a single entity, a single point of failure and in effect a monopoly. We don't just get to use it, we have to use it.

Of course one can't complain unless one has made an effort to do something about it, like I dunno, make a national version of CloudFlare?

Mwahahahaha! Didn't like that one, did you?!? Soon that will be mandatory and departments that investigate will honeypot your ass when they need a some justification for taking your in for a little private interrogation... wait, no, GO BACK!!

Okay, so protocols. Hard as fuck, static as hell. Yes? But, decentralised. Si? DNS proxying and content caches are staples of the modern internet. Content go quick, content go real quick ya. All we need to do is figure out a way to facilitate those things without having to rely on a single company, government body or even access to the many nodes that comprise the internet.

We used to write spec, damnit! We must return to the source. I have been some schmuck on the internet and this was my TL;DR.

I don't like how you say it, but what you say is true. Truth is hard to hear, sometimes.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your experience as an end user is only available because cloudflare exists. That's why your end user opinion doesn't matter, because bad actors are constantly trying to ruin the internet and cloudflare is the gatekeeper. As a server owner I need security at the door to keep our illegal activity. Your opinion of "I don't like security at the door" is dually noted and immediately thrown away.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

"You only know about the bad thing because the bad thing exists" what a compelling argument. Did you know water makes things wet because it's wet?

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

I dont like monopolies, but a world without cloud flare would go down constantly just because a few script kiddies decided to ddos something

[–] kucing@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Also made my company I worked for saved ton of money, instead of using other usage-based CDN since we got some ddos for the past year.

The CF Pages and their video encoding platform also ok and easy to use.

[–] txmyx@feddit.de 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What?? I thought cloudflare is good. Free Ddos protection, etc.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 1 year ago

Single point of failure for the whole internet.

[–] Cube6392 6 points 1 year ago

There are benefits and costs. Cloudflare makes it easy to maintain high uptime as a small site sysadmin at the cost of free DDoS protection isn't actually free. Cloudflare turns all users of websites that employ it into the products of surveillance capitalism

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

O.o Do you understand what Cloudflare actually does?

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Provides a single point of failure for a large portion of the internet that nobody else has any control over?

[–] taanegl 7 points 1 year ago

Oh no, centralising DNS and CDN traffic which are critical for the web and the internet into a single company is a bad idea?! Who knew!?!

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While that can indeed be considered an issue, the idea that this somehow makes the internet objectively worse is debatable.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is no debate i am always correct :)

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is an objectively untrue statement.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

you are an objectively untrue statement

[–] IzzyData@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cloudflare is having some weird issues with Discord this morning.

[–] DarkenLM@artemis.camp 11 points 1 year ago

So it wasn't just me. Good to know.

[–] gencha@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I'd claim it's the other way around until proven otherwise. Configuring the edge is not for everyone

[–] dill@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago

Throwback to when 1.1.1.1 dropped and we all loved couldflare

[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

203 upvotes, 202 downvotes. The most controversial lemmy post I've ever seen

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I feel like I'm making history. A real end user vs tech people conundrum.

[–] somnuz@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait.. so why is it 69/23 for me?

[–] Cube6392 7 points 1 year ago

Vote federation can be weird

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally trying to figure out if Cloudflare or tailscale would be the best way to go. The memes have spoken

[–] lukas3651@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tailscale is the way! Have been running it since January, flawlessly.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I went full rabbit hole and discovered headscale

[–] lukas3651@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

If you have the skills for setting it up, than that's the best way to deploy tailscale, the true zero trust method, just keep it in house.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Don't use memes to make decisions I'm just mad I can't use the discord app on my desktop, can't download manga from nhentai without jumping through hoops anymore, and have to solve 5 captchas in a row when I use a vpn which is all the time.

[–] kubica@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"So you solved the catcha, ok, we don't care anyway."

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Solve 5 more because you're using a vpn."

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[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Cuckflare: host loves it, everyone else hates it

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago

I really think that on the list of worst single points of failure, DNS is not one of them. Given how easy it is to actually switch. And given that cloudflare outages are not nearly as common, The times they do happen usually are only for half an hour or so.

One more head of Hydra. Espionage System built by the big techs

[–] primalmotion@lemmy.antisocial.ly 3 points 5 months ago

I am baffled seeing so much cloudflare fanboys here...

Cloudflare is everywhere, it sees everything, it holds everything, it has private keys for tons and tons of websites, it's subject to the absence of any privacy law in the US, but they are "nice". Wow.

Google also was nice. It used to give you good results. Twitter also was nice.

[–] 57lchlover@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Considering how I (try) to do bug bounties for money, it's bad for that, but otherwise, it'd probably be worse without it, considering how it seems a lot of developers seem to totally rely on it for reflected XSS protection.