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[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Culinary arts are valid.

It costs a lot because the ingredients are expensive and there's a ton of labor involved. Seriously you should see the level of chemistry, preparation, and precision that go into some dishes.

If you can't appreciate it, that's fine. Not everybody gets any given work of art and some people don't get culinary arts at all. But this "fine dining is a scam" thing I've seen in this thread and elsewhere is a bad take. It amounts to "things I don't have the capacity to appreciate are garbage because I lack the ability to understand that others experience the world differently than I do."

Does it get treated as a status symbol? Sure. But all art gets the same treatment. Picasso is no less valid because some rich asshole buys his work.

That said, there's a kernel of truth to the sentiment, but these little mom and pop local places aren't good just because they're cheap. It's that their main competitor at the price point, chain restaurants, are trashy, factory made garbage. There's a lot of mid range chains (or higher end chains, like Ruth's Chris). They make their money by leveraging economies of scale and a consistent product, but there's not any soul to that food. You can usually do better at home for less. Not to denigrate it too much; I've got chain food I like (don't we all enjoy some junk food from time to time?). Hell, I know a Michelin Star chef that has a hot wing at one of the national wing chains he craves, but then that dude eats everything.

Local mom and pops are often immigrants from other nations making food the way they know how ... which often involves more down to earth ingredients and methods instead of processed trash bought from Sysco. I've had some amazing food on the cheap from immigrants from different areas of Mexico, Ethiopia, Czechoslovakia, lots of South East Asian countries ... you name it. They're not all great, but there's been some incredible flavor : value ratios.

So try your local places, but understand that fine dining needn't be a scam if it's a chef busting his ass to be creative and delicious, even if it's very expensive.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$50 dollars a plate isn't terrible depending on how formal it is

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

OK Mr. Moneybags.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

"fine dining" is mostly just status symbol, though there are also expensive places that are also equally as good in quality. But a lot of it is just way to get money out of those who have so much income they throw it away for fun.

[–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Local diners always have the best food. Same thing with small pizza places run by italian families.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Standalone shithole BBQ joints with a smoker visible/smellable.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Here in sweden at least legit the best food i've had is little burger/hot dog kiosks. It's very hard to beat a burger and some fries for 7 bucks.

[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Without getting in to the prices at all, there is something to be said for focus. The diner throws together great food as long as great is "salty and fried", but when it comes to more complex stuff, they tend to fall down. The large menu means the time and affort to get expert at each dish is much higher, and with any turnover at all just can't happen. Mom and pop diners can get great at their specialties, but chain diners al_ost always resort to reheating frozen product because of their large menus

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Best food in town—pizza made for €7 apiece by a guy named Miroslav in his restaurant “Tuscany.”

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Miroslav is a hero

Thank the heavens for Miroslav.

[–] technologicalcaveman@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a restaurant in my girlfriend's town that basically says that if they have the ingredients then it's on the menu. The menu is absolutely massive.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They must have some talented cooks. That's awesome

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

or just chaotic enough cooks, like the kind that makes a good dish but if you ask them how they did it they just say "idk i just did stuff that felt about right"

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

idk i just did stuff that felt about right

That’s how all my best creations get made.

And my worst.

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

its like gambling but for food

It's alright enough. Nice to be able to get gyro anytime considering we live in the middle of nowhere.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Okay but like ... ingredients spoil. I don't want something that's been sitting in your walk-in for 3 weeks because nobody else ever orders it.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

$50/person is a lot? Or is that like tapas plates?

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd consider it a lot, but nowhere near what I'd expect for the fanciest places.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess it depends on where you are, but in the Bay Area a mid-to nice place is around that or a bit more (eg they’ll have some entrees in the $30-40 and others in the $50-70 range) with appetizers being another $15 each. Sides are additional at a steak place.

A nice place (Michelin-type fine dining) will have a tasting menu that goes for $200-350 per person (that’s the one where you get multiple courses of tiny dishes), and the wine pairing on top of that can be another $150/person or more. If you add in cocktails or other upgrades (like a caviar appetizer), you can be getting up around $1000 per person.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Prices in the Bay Area blow my mind. Isn't it the most expensive place to live in the country?

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It is definitely among them, as far as I know. I think we have the highest average rent in the state, and the overall Coal is pretty high. Salaries are also higher but the effect of the people at the higher end of the scale affects the people at the lower end. I’ve seen far more adults with roommates as a normal situation here than pretty much anyplace I’ve lived outside of NYC.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

nowadays even the cheapest fast food is bloody expensive