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AOC Says Climate Movement Must Become 'Too Big and Too Radical to Ignore' (www.commondreams.org)
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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 56 points 1 year ago

she applauded the climate movement for starting to "crack the grip" which the fossil fuel industry holds on the nation's political economy.

"That's because of you," she said to those in the crowd. "Don't let the cynics win. The cynics want us to think that this isn't worth it. The cynics want us to believe that we can't win. The cynics want us to believe that organizing doesn't matter; that our political system doesn't matter; that our economy doesn't matter. But we're here to say that we organize out of hope! We organize out of commitment! We organize out of love! We organize out of the beauty of our future! And we will not give up. We will not let go! We will not let cynicism to prevail!"

[–] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

In Australia we've just essentially criminalised climate protesting. Climate protestors now risk a huge fine and even jail time. A lot of people suspect it's because governments are preparing in advance for what might become a huge movement that they can't control. So they're trying to disincentivise people before shit hits the fan.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

That sounds about right. Sadly for them, no manner of law is going to stop the mobs when people start going hungry.

[–] mayo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I went to a climate protest in Canada last week and it was way to tame to actually get anything accomplished.

The main part of the protest was walking down a main artery. For protesters, there is incentive to walk slowly and spread out to make the walk longer and disrupt status-quo longer, but the organizers clearly only had permission to march for a specific duration so they were in the back hurrying people forward so we'd stay within our allotted time window. Maybe 30 minutes. Once a year. It was pointless.

Add to that that 90% of the people there were exactly the people you'd expect to be there and it just felt like a waste of time.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It absolutely was a waste of time, nobody noticed or gave a shit.

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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is an exception to every rule, and one of my rules is that all politicians are money grubbing, ego-maniacs, who want nothing more than power. She might be the only exception to that rule.

[–] skookumasfrig@sopuli.xyz 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say Bernie is one of the exceptions. They are rare.

[–] RadicalCandour@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

I think Katie Porter is also on this exception list.

[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

You are setting yourself up to be fooled.

[–] wick@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure she realises how good conservatives, and the American public, are at ignoring things.

[–] librechad@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You can say that about all sides. Not conservative BTW if that matters.

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Government official says you must resort to terrorism to have your demands met

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AOC is calling for protests. Equating protests to terrorism puts you in the ignoble company of the Iranian government, the Saudi monarchy, and the Georgia cops who charged protesters with felonies for distributing flyers.

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

become too radical to ignore

Mm yes just lawful assembly please

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't be much of a protest if they just stand there quietly.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Like going to the capital to trash it because your candidate lost?

[–] rewarp@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we are treating this like an emergency, imagine if you were a resident of the flooding in Derna, what they would do if they saw the Exxon oil executives dining on the side of a posh cafe in their suits and tie saying the death of everyone in your neighbourhood is just business?

I would very much advocate for beating them up.

[–] bassad@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At Derna, residents burned mayor's house during protests because he fucked up (he said to stay home while he knew huge rainfalls were coming).

seems like they know how to protest : now they are in the same boat

[–] rewarp@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

This is the way.

[–] Neon_Dystopia@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I wish

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[–] Muffi@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

She should be Americas VP, so she could take over for Brandon when he croaks. Probably the only way we'll ever get a female president.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but what the fuck can I do?

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[–] librechad@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't get why people support AOC, as far as I can tell after she blatantly ignored New Yorkers who are fed up with the current migrant crisis. She's not open for debate, she's just pushing her own agenda.

[–] Armen12@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

So she ignored racists, doesn't sound like a bad thing for her to do.

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll see an actual migrant crisis in the coming years because of the climate change republicans keep ignoring

[–] librechad@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In attributing the forthcoming migrant crisis solely to Republicans stance on climate change, you're oversimplifying a complex issue. While climate change is indeed a pressing concern that could exacerbate migration patterns, it's not the only factor. My initial point was that AOC appears to be ignoring the concerns of her constituents on the current migrant issue, which is separate from future crises caused by climate change. It is crucial to address the problems of today while also preparing for those of tomorrow. To do so, our representatives should be open to debate and multiple viewpoints, not solely focused on pushing their own agendas.