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I am Ganesh, an Indian atheist and I don't eat beef. It's not like that I have a religious reason to do that, but after all those years seeing cows as peaceful animals and playing and growing up with them in a village, I doubt if I ever will be able to eat beef. I wasn't raised very religious, I didn't go to temple everyday and read Gita every evening unlike most muslims who are somewhat serious about their religion, my family has this watered down religion (which has it's advantages).

But yeah, not eating beef is a moral issue I deal with. I mean, I don't care that I don't eat beef, but the fact that I eat pork and chicken but not beef seems to me to be weird. So, is there any religious practice that you guys follow to this day?

edit: I like religious music, religious temples (Churches, Gurudwara's, Temples & Mosques in Iran), religious paintings and art sometimes. I know for a fact that the only art you could produce is those days was indeed religious and the greatest artists needed to make something religious to be funded, that we will never know what those artists would have produced in the absence of religion, but yeah, religious art is good nonetheless.

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 91 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still act respectful in churches and other "sacred" places, not out of any fear of the Magic Sky Wizard, but simply because other people respect them and it seems like a useful thing to encourage, even if I don't agree with the underlying reasoning. Having a place which most of society agrees should be a quiet, comforting sanctuary is not the worst thing at all, even if the comfort is derived from extreme wishful thinking.

Also, Christmas. Christmas music is great. A Charlie Brown Christmas is one of the best holiday albums ever, though we always skip "Hark the Herald Angel Sings" 'cause it's such a tonal shift compared to the rest of the album.

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[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I went to Catholic catechism as a child and one of the few things I remember was Jesus washing other people's feet. I like the humility of that and it inspires me to want to do acts of service

[–] Blake@feddit.uk 22 points 1 year ago

Was chatting with a young (17-ish) atheist guy recently who misremembered this as “isn’t there a bit in the bible where Christian licks a prostitute’s feet?” which truly left me with so many things I wanted to say that I could bareky say anything without laughing so much, but I managed to get out “did you think Jesus was called Christian??”

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a Satanist for a bit. I still use Magick to think about leadership and social manipulation. Its pretty useful for me, and it's also funny as hell to think of a boardroom meeting as a ritual circle around an altar of PowerPoint.

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[–] noisypine@infosec.pub 18 points 1 year ago

I still say "Oh my God"

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wasn't raised very religious.

I do think some of the stuff from the Christian Bible would be great if people followed it.

  • pray in private, not where people can see you
  • help other people. Like, go read the good Samaritan again. It's not long. That dude goes way the fuck out of his way to help someone he's never met. And some people do some fucking intense mental backflips to justify "no it's a metaphor man you don't have to like actually go near a poor person
  • you'll be judged by how you treat the least among you. Yeah, anyone can be nice to their friends, or suck up to wealthy. But how you treat the poor and vulnerable? That's telling.

Part of what makes the religious right in the US so infuriating is they spend so much time being mad about gay people and comparably no time on poverty.

Every mega church should be condemned as heretical and repurposed as housing or something for the needy.

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[–] Blake@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I’m atheist and my parents raised me without any religion. The first time I learned anything about religion was at primary school where Christianity was taught as fact. I was really confused as to why I hadn’t heard of this “god” fellow before now, and I asked my parents about it, and they explained the general concept of religious belief to me, and said that I was free to believe whatever I choose, and I remember being frustrated that my mum wouldn’t directly answer me as to whether or not this stuff was real or not real, and kind of just settled on the idea that it was like they read the Chronicles of Narnia and believed Aslan was real, which was like, fine with me, but seemed a little silly. It was kind of funny to learn a bunch of religious stuff in retrospect - it was kind of like, “dang, this Jesus dude really does force himself into everything doesn’t he?” Easter is the funniest one, it’s such a stretch, they clearly had no idea how to make that one about Christianity and just kinda phoned it in.

So, the one “religious” thing I keep, is saying stuff like “oh my god”, “for god’s sake” and stuff like that, but for me, it doesn’t really mean anything to do with god. It’s just like an otherwise meaningless idiom that people say.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funny that your parents used Chronicles of Narnia as an example since it is literally an Christian allegory and Aslan is Jesus.

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[–] FUsername@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also only need "god" and especially "Jesus Christ" to avoid cursing when my kids go bonkers. To consider it an idiom exactly meets my view of it.

"Jesus Christ" is just a fun expression, whether it's yelling it while hitting your finger while hammering in a nail or under your breath watching your friend feed his lane opponent in League of Legends.

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[–] MxM111@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I say “bless you” when somebody sneezes.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really like churches, they are a good way to find a strong community. It can be really hard as an adult in a new area to meet people, and a church can basically solve that for you. I'm in a very religious area too where they desperately want me to go to one.

Also I've kind of understood "praying" now. I meditate a lot, and the goal to focus on your inner breath and be one with the present moment. Praying is kind of the opposite, instead of focusing on your inner self, you're focusing on something greater outside of you, like trying to connect your body to the universe. It's like trying to imagine you're part of something greater and it's kind of comforting.

[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 7 points 1 year ago

100%! Cathedrals and Temples especially are some of the most amazing pieces of architecture. You can't walk in to a historic European cathedral with the ceiling reaching to the sky and stained glass windows and not feel something.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Both are meditation, vipassanā vs. jhāna, though that encompasses a flurry of potential objects/concepts/qualia of focus.

you’re focusing on something greater outside of you, like trying to connect your body to the universe. It’s like trying to imagine you’re part of something greater and it’s kind of comforting.

That sounds roughly like the fifth jhāna, infinite space. I just can't resist to comment here that our intelligence, mammal intelligence in general, is largely based on repurposed/expanded spatial awareness circuitry. That we use terms like "mind map" is anything but coincidental.

[–] genuineparts@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes that my local, now long deceased Priest didn't want my father to be buried at his graveyard, because he committed suicide and that is a sin. Made me a staunch atheist.

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I recognize that Churches are often community centers and do a lot of good work

I'd say monogamy, but that isn't strictly religious. Sex outside of relationships ig (ik it's not marriage but still).

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

This seem to work on an assumption that people have a religion before becoming athiest/agnostic. I never did. My birth certificate says Church of England as that's the default here unless your parents ask for something else. However they never took me to church or raised me in a religious manner, I had an entirely secular upbringing so there's no elements of Religon to hang onto.

I think there is a lot of beautiful wisdom in the bible that sticks with me, but usually it only comes out when I (way more often that I'd like) hear someone who claims to be Christian acting in a way that is completely antithetical to what is in the bible.

[–] kenoh@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Exmormon here, going on 20 years now. Don't miss pretty much anything from it except some of the music. Ignore the Republican-looking motherfuckers here and enjoy this: https://youtu.be/WwYm_mKQ3Gs

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[–] Metafalls_ 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ex-muslim here. I am not practicing most of its rituals other than zakat, as I feel like its one of those act that transcends any beliefs.

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[–] Pea666@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not OP and not a Muslim but it seems it’s a ‘commandment’ on charity to the poor.

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[–] k110111@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every year, out of all of your things that are not necessary like jewelery/saving or other non essential items, you are supposed to donate 2.5% of it, or equivalent in money, to a poor person.

Interestingly this would mean that a true muslim will probably never become a multi-billionaire.

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[–] neptune@dmv.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is probably slightly tangential, but after leaving a very dogmatic, Christian upbringing, I dabbled in the New Atheist Thing but have since come to realize religion and belief is on a two dimensional axes.

On the first axis, you have dogma, or a core set of beliefs or religious doctrine. High or low dogma. Your classic fundamentalists of any stripe are over here. Evangelical Christians, fundamentalist Islam. And yes even some strains of atheism can be relatively high dogma. On the lower end of the dogma scale you have agnostics, many atheists, some types of new age spirituality, and even some types of organized religion like Unitarianism or Buddhism.

On the second axis is humanism, or the relishing and participation in people, culture and acceptance of people or ideas that do not conform to the doctrine. High on the humanism scale would be literal secular humanists, and other faiths that prioritize people more than dogma.

Eventually, someone raised in a high dogma/low humanism religion might eventually learn there are some faiths that are relatively high humanism, even with a low or relatively high dogma score.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sometimes I listen to Gregorian chants.

About cows - there was a YTer who sucessfully connected atheism to veganism (but then didn't). I think veganism and atheism have a lot in common structurally.

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[–] ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not really. I try very hard not to let myself fall prey to so-called "cultural religion." I don't celebrate any religious holidays like Christmas. I try to be as aware as possible of the religious influences in my daily life and avoid them. It's not easy, though! Religion has infested so many facets of every culture, it becomes increasingly difficult to separate.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Western culture is (as is every other culture) indeed infused with religion. There are lots of good things that come from it. Are we to throw them away because they are "tainted" by some religious element in their origin or development?

We've ended up in a very culturally poor place because in moving away from religion we throw so much out. Babies with bath water, as it were.

We've moved to a rationalist mentality without a good understanding of how man is an inherently cultural animal. And culture until recently was very hard to separate from religious aspects.

Note that I am an atheist myself, not brought up religious, and I don't have answers to how to resolve this awkward place we have gotten to. But I'm quite sure that avoiding cultural elements simply because there is a religious taint is not helpful. Are we to throw away all of Bach's music?

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[–] all-knight-party@kbin.cafe 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I'd say I'm agnostic, but my parents also didn't force religion on me, my dad is Catholic, and my mom is Thai Buddhist, and I view the Buddhist ideology to strive for being satisfied without material as an honorable goal. I feel as if I believe that attaining that mindset really is nirvana, and I don't think you need to be particularly religious to think that's possible.

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[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago

Music, especially singing in groups. Once I shrugged off the religious trappings associated with music, it turns out there are very many wonderful songs that have nothing to do with God. The feeling of oneness transcends religion, and is a human experience that we all need to feel once in a while.

[–] handofdumb@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Sup, Ganesh! I’m HandOfDumb :) This is a neat question you’ve asked and I’m stoked to see more answers.

I was raised in Catholicism, though my family has, largely, stopped following that specific religion so closely (though many are still religious). I don’t follow any specific religion and am unsure what I consider myself - atheist fits well enough!

Somethings that stick for me are many of the kindnesses that live within bible stories. There’s a lot of good stuff in there, of course! And most of (what I consider to be) the good stuff is along the lines of being a good person. But some of it is kinda off-beat.

Like, there’s a bit in there about a proclamation that people should forgive debts after some seemingly arbitrary amount of time (seven years?) and that really jibed with me. Not the time part, but just forgiving pals/family you might have loaned money to. If I spot a friend $5 for something, I’m not going to hold it against them and ask them to repay. If they do repay? Great! But I will never expect it and I will not be offended if they do not.

Similarly with larger sums. If I’m okay to loan it to someone, I’m okay to lose it.

Anyhoo, I think it’s awesome that you like cows :) they remind me of big ol’ dogs and I like them very much. They can teach us more than they can fill our bellies, I think!

[–] 31415926535@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I went to old school, pre second Vatican council Latin masses. On our knees on other days in dusty, stone walled rooms, heads down, everyone quietly counting rosary beads. Had to wear veil over head to enter church because women's bare heads weren't fit for the eyes of god. Large cathedrals, Latin chanting bouncing echoes off walls. Hunky jesus nailed to cross behind gaudy altar, his loincloth sculpted so teasingly low.

No longer believe in god, but damn, the theatrical pomp was next class, probably influenced work I do as an artist, and why I like bdsm so much.

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[–] rouxdoo@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

@Subject6051

My family put us to the church as kids as little as needed to prove that they exposed us to it. I thank them for that minimal exposure because I've always felt agnostic (of course, that was verbalized as atheism as a kid). My mom was raised German christian, my dad was raised Quaker.

I think that the most meaningful lessons I learned about religion were from my father (who never once mentioned god, Jesus or the church).

My father's religion was one of acceptance of all others, refusal of indoctrination to any structured religion and an absolute knowledge that men (and women) make their faith and their covenant to each other, not to a church. Thanks, dad!

[–] the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I was born in a Hindu family, i don't believe in God but i really like and keep deities statues and pictures as Art. I also read religious text bcz i found there are lots of good things which can be learned from it and i am also fascinated about how old these scriptures are and still tells about lots of good things about human mind, life and society.

[–] nayminlwin@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The way I talk to monks. In Theravada buddhism, monks are treated as a class above average humans. We had to special wording when speaking with them to be reverent, kind of like when speaking with nobles, royals and whatnot in Europe.

Still awkwardly doing that around most monks when I'm with my family, just out of respect for them. There are a few close monk friends that I can talk to normally though.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was raised in a Buddhist family and we all celebrate christmas til this day. Just the part with the tree and the gifts, none of the other religious stuff that comes with Christmas.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not 100% sure this answers the question, but here goes.

Closest I can say that stuck with me, as someone born in a Christian household would be the original Veggietales and how some of the messages have stuck with me. You take away the Christian aspect from some of the messages and you get messages that I think could still apply to a general audience.

  • Small people can do big things (Dave and the Giant Pickle)

  • Despite your differences, you can still be friendly with others (Are You My Neighbor)

  • You should forgive others (God Wants Me To Forgive Them!?!)

I may not follow them to a tee but I am at least somewhat trying.

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[–] Africanprince99@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to be deeply religious, I even got tattoos.

Haven't covered them up because the symbology is pertinent.

Listen to some religious music, I like some classical Christian music.

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[–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I am a non-theist Norse pagan and have been a Norse pagan since I was single digits in age. I was raised by a Catholic mother (her mother was Irish Catholic and her father was Roman Catholic), my father's mother was a Mennonite. I was not raised religiously, but i still have Catholic guilt, and use religious curses.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Christmas for sure because it's fun and there's good food and smells and all kinds of stuff. Beyond that, no not really.

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[–] ulkesh 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly…I actively avoid all things religious, especially dogmatic religion. Of course there are religious influences all over the place and I cannot say with certainty that I don’t get affected by it, but given that the most popular religions currently (Abrahamic) were essentially engineered to control the masses, I consciously try to avoid them and their influences.

Sadly, where I live, I can’t throw a rock without hitting a church so without moving to an uninhabited island, it’s stuck in my life in one way or another.

And before someone says something about morals, morality both predates religion and doesn’t require being a human to have any. In other words, one can have morals without ever being exposed to religion.

I get this goes against the grain here, and doesn’t exactly answer the question, but it’s an honest answer.

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[–] SecretPancake@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Still love me some good Gospel music.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Haus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't buy into all the soul mumbo-jumbo, but it makes for good stories. Also, the Catholics made some good music back in the day.

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

damn, yes another thing I like is the religious music too. I have heard Richard Dawkins say he likes the bible for it's old English poems etc.

not only of Hindus but muslims have some nice songs as well. My muslim friend was laughing after I was humming a quite nice muslim prayer song (Hindi), long ago, but that moment was quite funny.

[–] Floey@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

That's interesting because I only became a vegan long after I became an atheist and I think if it happened the other way around there wouldn't have been such a delay seeing as so many Catholic religious feasts in my culture have an entire roasted animal as a centerpiece. That would have definitely forced me to confront my religion. It's weird too because we are taught that we are stewards of animals and to take advantage of them in such ways seems contradictory to the faith.

Something that has stuck with me though is religious music, especially the stuff with darker vibes. Music targeted at a religious demographic with religious messaging like Christian rock is not what I'm taking about, just the classics that we used to sing in church and choir. I also enjoy religious precessions, I don't see them as cultish rituals as I think a lot of atheists do. There is something meditative about processes like the giving and receiving of communion.

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