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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] gammarays@lemm.ee 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think most people (including myself) prefer a minimal desktop by default, and then proceed to install only the software they need. Nevertheless, it always surprises me when I log in to a system that doesn't have vim.

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For almost all users, especially beginners, nano is just simpler faster and better. A lot of distributions are bundling it, and I am finding indeed systems without vim at all.

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Especially for beginners, micro would be even better.

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[–] s20@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I disagree. Don't get me wrong, vim is amazing and all that, but I think nano is easier for new users to grok out of the box, making it a better choice most of the time. What it lacks in features it makes up for in transparency.

100% agree about the minimal set of desktop apps, though. That drives me crazy.

Just my 0.02$.

Edit: silly mistakes and clarification

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

less, I don't remember what distro it was, but there wasn't less. There was more though.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] bert@lemmy.monster 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But when will "then" be "now"?

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[–] Dotdev@programming.dev 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

git not installed in ubuntu based distro was the shock for me.

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Git. I feel like that is a pretty important part of any linux os nowadays

[–] ChristianWS@lemmy.eco.br 26 points 1 year ago

KDE Connect on KDE distros, just feels part of the KDE experience

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

A Doom-clone. I mean, come on.

Seriously tho, Gparted for how useful it is.

[–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

git isn't in Arch's base-devel

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[–] solberg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nano (or pico). I had to use vi one time 😭

[–] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

🤕 <-- he was forced to use vi

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[–] Snowplow8861@lemmus.org 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I am surprised that vi is often available, but not vim. It's really annoying on many RHEL based distros, because I am so used to typing vim. Otherwise there is just git I deem essential.

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[–] vsis@feddit.cl 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

useradd - I just wanted to give a friend my notebook for a python lecture and thought I could just add him as a new user. Apparently not by default.

[–] x3i@lemmy.x3i.tech 4 points 1 year ago

Ran into this some time ago and learned that there is a more rudimentary command adduser instead but it does not do things like home folder creation

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[–] Frederic 15 points 1 year ago

openssh-server, how can you connect to your PC from elsewhere without sshd ?!?

[–] Ecology8622@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IMO nothing. As long as it can detect network I can install whatever tools I need.

[–] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Agreed. The alternative is bloating the system with tools the user may not need. I'd rather just have to install a bunch of stuff on first use.

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[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] hottari@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • Multimedia/ h264 codecs ??
  • KDE/GSconnect
  • Something like Arch's downgrade package + an archive of package versions
  • Hardware video acceleration support is sorely lacking
  • Picture-in-picture in Gnome's Wayland (bug that a gnome-shell extension fixes!)
[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Multimedia codecs have a different license agreement than the OS so they aren't bundled by default for a reason

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Debian, sudo, at least when ever I install it without a desktop.

edit: I'm dumb af, it tells you right in the installer, I just never read it

[–] Eris@l.os33.co 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I read that apparently if you don't input a password for root that it apparently installs sudo. I might be wrong about this but could be worth a Google

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[–] astroturds@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm always shocked that other distros haven't made their own version of Yast from opensuse

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago
[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's try the other way around: what default apps are pre installed that really don't need or should not be?

I get that most distros try to give a good out of the box desktop for the average user, while also saving time for who is (trying to) providing services or building machines to sell but it can get annoying booting into a fresh install, take a look at the defaults and go "nah, that's going away, and that, that and the other".

I'm not advocating for LFS but sometimes I wish we could get an option to install just what is necessary to make the hardware run and a chosen desktop or window manager and from there install whatever we may need.

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[–] Turtle@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The first couple commands I run after install:

$ sudo apt install vim
$ sudo apt autopurge libreoffice*
[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually like Libre office very much, since it's a good open source office software.

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[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

htop, distrobox and in some cases Flatpak!

Edit: after reading the comments I want to add curl and git, seriously, why aren't those a default?!

[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

emacs

I realize half of you people never touch it, but come on. It's not that large a package these days.

[–] NaoPb 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What that reasoning we should install sauerbraten because most people have plenty of hdd space and broadband internet. Better yet, just install all the games so we can relax every now and then between the hard work.

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[–] the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It pull 400MB of packages + deps on my machine

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[–] ClemaX@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

ncdu for analyzing disk space usage in TUI.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Well really

anything (Arch)

[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nslookup quite a few times I'd try and resolve a domain name only to find out the command isn't available and I'd need to google what package adds it.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

I thought it was deprecated in favor of the host and dig commands.

[–] toff@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

bash and zsh shell history suggest box aka hstr. A bash history which is sorted by the times you use a command and not in a chronological order. Sooooooo good 😉

[–] lijenipenzic 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] learnbyexample@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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