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so my old GPU died a few days ago and I was thinking which brand of GPU to get next. AMD or Nvidia? I've heard Nvidia drivers are very annoying with Linux but I've never had an AMD GPU before. Which would be better? I'll sometimee switch to Windows to play specific games as well.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely AMD. The drivers are actually open source, much better with less bugs and there are no problems known to me. I currently have had a GTX 1070 for the last 5 years, until I've enough money for an AMD card. My setups, especially Wayland based, are riddled with bugs not present on my (Intel based) laptop - which means the only explanation is the NVidia card. The (admittedly: testing on Arch) drivers have broken two times in a year, not making the system unusable but definitely preventing gaming.
On top of that, the 4090 may be 25% better than the 7900 XTX - but it's also 50+% more expensive than the 7900 XTX, which is a pattern which can be seen for every generation and version of GPUs by Nvidia/AMD. Nvidia's equivalents to AMD's cards are generally 25-50% more expensive, with worse performance but better Raytracing and of course DLSS support - oh wait, DLSS 1 and 2 are only for RTX 20 and up, while DLSS 4 is only for 40 Series GPUs. Which means no matter how good it looks, FSR will be the only alternative for almost all players, even those using NVidia cards like me.

Something different: Intel's Arc GPUs would maybe be worth a shot. According to a PC World article, the A770 beats the 3060 even in it's own habitat - Raytracing. It's cheap and gets better with every driver update. It also seems like the Arc GPUs are compatible with Linux fine, though I'd suggest you look up the compatibility with the games you want to play.

[–] loops 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a 1070 Ti, but I'm on Ubuntu and I haven't had any issues at all for ~5 years. IMO the issue then is Arch, and how the drivers are handled. I also have only updated the driver once (450-server to 525-server), when Satisfactory switched to unreal engine 5.

I would still recommend AMD though, and I also plan on switching when I have the money for it.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a 1060 on Arch and had no problems whatsoever. It will get ugly once the 1060 is no longer supported by the mainline driver, though.

[–] loops 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. It's getting to be fairly old GPU, I'm feeling anxious about getting a new one because I'm poor af but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Pharceface@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AMD, easily. Its literally plug and play. You can even pick some second hand options for cheap that are still solid for gaming such as the vega 56/64 and the RX 5700XT (which is I use). Intel isn't bad so long as you're not playing the newest stuff, my Arc a750 is solid in games like Fallout 4 and Elden Ring. Starfield is complete mess on it. Another thing with Intel is you'll need a distro with a 6+ kernel to get the most out of it.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 16 points 1 year ago

"Better" is relative to your own use case. If you're a casual user, who maybe play some games on Linux, and don't really care about getting those games to work with Nvidia's version of ray tracing upscaling stuff, getting an AMD card is no brainer because it's cheaper and works out of the box too, and many games are starting to support ray tracing and upscaling on AMD card as well.

But, if you absolutely need to have access to CUDA, RTX and DLSS, then you'll have to get an Nvidia card and deal with consequences of using their drivers (buggy on Wayland, etc).

[–] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

AMD is better on Linux most of the time. Running a AMD card day one is not hassle free.

That being said if you pick a up to date distro all 7000 and 6000 series should work fine now. They are already in the kernel and mesa for a while. You may want to update you kernel and mesa sometimes to get better performance and stability.

But in my experience nvidia is fine on Linux. (I only used older cards gtx 970 and a rtx 2060) especially when you have just one monitor or all monitors on the same refresh rate. It's not on par with windows but will work with the Nvidia drivers.

So I would say if you a simple setup Nvidia is fine and AMD is better. It all depends on the best deal you can get. If ray tracing is not that important AMD is new the best value. If you more on a budget second AMD Rx 5700 XT are pretty cheap here and there are some good deals on Nvidia 30 series cards.

As far I have read intel cards can be a pain on Linux. So I would not recommend it for now.

[–] TrivialBetaState@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago
[–] Rogueren@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

AMD is generally better

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I were buying a card right now I'd get either the 6700XT or the 6800XT because they're both at crazy good value for the money right now, especially if you can get one used or refurbished from a reputable seller with a return policy.

[–] StatelessInSeattle@kolektiva.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@entropicdrift @Yoru love my 6700XT, it's been a great card so far. Runs fantastic on Linux too.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

This sums up my feelings on Nvidia.

[–] randompepsi@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AMD. I’d get the rx 6800 xt

[–] mhz@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a gtx1060 when I started using linux, then upgraded to 2060 then again to 2080, they all worked fine without any major problem (except that file system checking at boot sometimes and wayland). Last year I upgraded to RX6800 and man everything just works, no more filesystem checks at boot, Wayland is mu way to go now.

If I have a nvidia card now I would just use, but if I'm buying a new/used gpu it will definitely be AMD.

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

The file system check at boot thing is a symptom of NVIDIA? I was wondering about that, but kept forgetting to look into it. Thanks for saving me time :D

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is also Intel Arc now, which does offer some relatively good value for money.

Otherwise, yeah AMD is more hassle free on Linux. Any model works, so just look at your budget.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

Intel Arc still has driver issues, like the new Starfield is just not working on Linux with Arc graphics. There's more focus on AMD's drivers especially with the Steam Deck using them too.

german source: https://www.computerbase.de/2023-09/starfield-linux-benchmarks/

[–] iloverocks@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I bought a Rx 5700xt for 190€ in Germany this was 4 month's ago

[–] Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I just built my first every dedicated Linux machine. With gaming and 3d design for printing as focus. I chose RX 6700 XT and it's been plug and play. Of course I've only been playing Starfield so far on it. I did have a bug with Steam but got that sorted.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

What do you use your PC for? Just games? Or AI as well?

If it's just games, I'd go AMD. More VRAM = more better and AMD has more VRAM for the same price.

If you want to do AI on your PC as well, I'd go Nvidia. The software support from AMD is just not there yet.

I had no issues with Nvidia on pop os and Ubuntu, and rarely any issues on arch. That's the bleeding of "bleeding edge" for ya, lol. But it's a single command to roll back to a previous version of the driver, so no big deal anyway.

[–] ownsauce@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I can't play starfield right now because of issues with the Nvidia 535 driver causing the game to crash on starting a new game.
Downgrading to the older 525 driver lets the game play but with severe performance issues and a level of input lag and freezing that is toxic. My playtime says 4.5 hours but 4 hours of that was restarting the game with different drivers and toggling off different settings in the game for the absolute lowest performance. I'll just have to wait a month or so until the bugs are worked on and new driver versions are released.

Summary: If you are ok with playing games a month or two after release with a potential for some driver issues, Nvidia will probably be fine. I can play every older game in my steam library using Proton (which is built in to steam, you just need to turn it on in the game properties).
Otherwise it is a risk and you will always run into issues with Nvidia's proprietary drivers and new games.

I'll be getting AMD processor and GPU for my next desktop gaming computer.

[–] icdl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No idea about AMD but I have nvidia 3070 and works just fine. I use gnome for gaming and kde works well too. No settings changed, simple archinstall script with nvidia proprietary drivers and steam.

I'm not sure why but xfce multi screen gaming is problematic, haven't dived into it.

Not saying don't get AMD but nvidia has horrible reputation which is kinda unfair nowadays. Their driver has improved a lot.

[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's because you are on XFCE and they haven't adopted Wayland yet, NVidia drivers sadly really struggle with that but it's slowly getting better!

[–] icdl@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry for late reply didn't get the notification. Does Xorg struggle with multi monitor gaming? I use awesomewm on top of xfce and don't want to abandon it. If that's the case it sucks. Any ideas?

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

For gaming and desktop use, I've had a flawless experience using AMD cards and a decent time with NVIDIA. The only reason I'm with NVIDIA now is for the AI capabilities (don't bother trying to run stuff using AMD's ROCm - it's near impossible to install).

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

AMD is marginally easier but Nvidia is a lot better than people make out. The drivers install with one command in most distros.

[–] lonewalk@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I just swapped from NVidia to AMD, since Proton was not working under NVidia for Starfield at launch (and I’ve generally been unhappy using NVidia for a while).

I can finally also use things like Wayland where NVidia just doesn’t support it well enough to be a good option (e.g., weird issues with full disk encryption unlock screen, no night light support)

I know CUDA and productivity apps might push you in the other direction, but if your main priority is gaming, I suspect AMD will be nicer. My first impressions is that it plays way better with Linux and reduces headaches that shouldn’t exist but you’ll deal with under Nvidia.

[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely AMD, they give people enough data to build open source drivers and you will simply have better support and integration with those. It's not like Nvidia drivers are awful or anything but they just cause annoyances and especially with new technologies like Wayland (Display server protocol that most of Linux is about to adopt) they can be a pain. AMD GPUs work great on Linux, have far better pricing rn and they have no issues with Windows ether, even if you used Windows more I would recommend AMD rn for the pricing alone!

[–] Floey@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I have a 2070 super that I use for gaming and tensor stuff. So far no problems with Arch, X11, and i3. I don't really have brand loyalty though, when I last bought a graphics card I just considered what was going to be best for my price point.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I have used an GTX 3070 with no issues for the past 3.5 years, before that I used an AMD Vega 64 with no issues. I think if I were buying a new card and could stomach the prices I'd lean towards a Radeon 7900 XTX.

[–] lordgoose@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

I have an NVIDIA 1060 and it is such a pain in the ass to deal with. The number of random problems I've had with it has put me off from ever buying a computer with NVIDIA hardware ever again. Save yourself the constant walking on eggshells and get AMD.