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It's still going to ship with Notepad.
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Notepad is one of those apps that actually received an update not long ago: >!They've added Search with Bing to the Edit menu... (－‸ლ)!<
I wonder what updating that ancient code base was like.
They actually didn't update it at all. The Notepad app that ships with Windows 11 (and recent Win10 builds) is actually a completely rewritten, bloated, UWP (aka "Modern") app. The old Notepad is now an "optional feature" that needs to be manually installed.
I thought the point of notepad was to open quickly and do quick changes without having to open a more heavy duty editor.
To be fair, on modern systems it does open quickly in spite of it's size (probably because most of the shared libraries for UWP apps are already loaded in memory). And at the moment, the new Notepad doesn't offer any additional features which are common in heavy duty editors, so the "bloat" is mostly from an engineering standpoint. Well, I guess with the recent unwanted addition of Bing search, we're now starting to see signs of actual user-facing bloat.
I'll just install Vim with Chocolatey.
Windows is getting almost as user friendly as Linux
Hey, it also has tabs on Windows 11, which is a very useful feature! It's the only thing I find myself missing when I move from my W11 work laptop back to my W10 home desktop.
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Iirc, the original meaning of Word Processor required formatting, which Notepad doesn't do.
But otherwise yeah, this is a non-story. No one uses Wordpad or wants to use Wordpad. Let's focus on the egregious privacy concerns of Windows instead.
So, I've been mulling this over. I know Microsoft Word web version is free and I suppose that's their replacement, but it needs to be more accessible if that's the case. Like, for my very Average Mom who buys a laptop, she actually was using Wordpad for years until I got her onto my M365 family plan because it was a built in program and she knows how to navigate the Start menu and open programs.
Assuming a parallel universe where she didn't have access to desktop Word, how does she know Microsoft Word Online is available to her? Is there a shortcut on the desktop, or directly from Edge? Should there be a start menu icon which opens it up directly? Has Microsoft considered this? I would hope they have.
Just install Libreoffice. No reason for MSO unless you work in an org that supplies it.
While I think LibreOffice is great and definitely fills the needs for most people, I wish it was more polished. IMO MS Office just feels so smooth and clean, whereas LibreOffice feels clunky and dated. And I miss Excel when using Calc, although it gets the job done.
I guess I am from the old days. For me MSO has had nothing in terms of needed improvements since about 1998. And thankfully I moved to Libreoffice before the ribbon bar and all the VBA issues with 2013. Libreoffice became usable about 2005. Yes it was Excel for me that was the last to go. Solver in particular. As far as VBA, I switched from that to python about 1998.
As far as dated. I think it depends on who you think defines the standard . For me that is not MS.
As a user of advanced excel features like Power Query and even its plethora of built in functions, LibreOffice Calc just doesn't hold up at all. It lacks all beyond the most basic table features
That is the thing. I would not do anything advanced in a spread sheet. Just not productive. I would use Python.
As an example, I made a spreadsheet that queried WoW's auction house API and showed me items, their crafting components, prices and profits from crafting, that was then easily interactable and extendable in the GUI. Doing the same thing in python would have been great up until the point where I want to display the information... getting python to output a proper front end GUI is definitely a more time consuming exercise than using Excel's built in functionality
Keep in mind Python can interact with spreadsheet formats. So it is very possible to input your data in a spreadsheet , load that data into Python, then dump it into a spreadsheet. Easiest is CSV but I have done direct too.
What approach depends. If you know a spreadsheet really well, then taking it quite a ways makes a lot of sense. On the other hand when one gets to the point of writing more then 100 lines of VBA and especially into the 500 range, it may be time to use another approach. Same when execution times are very long or data very large. Working with large VBA code bases is kind of nutty but people often get too deep into the I have a hammer so every problem looks like a nail thinking. I have had to work with code like that myself.
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Libre Office is cool.
If you work with other people's really complex word documents where formatting is important, you kind of do have to use MS word because Libre Office still does not have 100% compatibility (probably Microsoft's fault).
I'm still a 360 holdout though. I hate the subscription model at the best of times and with Microsoft it just seems egregious.
Yes. I use to have to do patent work in MSO. The other issue is presentations. If you just cannot go with a PDF or use your own laptop you kind of have to use MSO since it is often the only program available.
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No one uses OnlyOffice? So far it’s been suitable and feels familiar to MSO.
FOSS people would probably use Libreoffice. On the other hand if you must work in the MSO world yes Onlyoffice seems like worth a look. Otherwise chasing MS is kind of a loosing strategy.
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Very valid points. I forgot WordPad existed and I use Notepad way more than I've ever used WordPad. But many people still havent really used computers much in depth beyond specific things they've been shown.
I know I could just use Google Docs or throw LibreOffice in there, but many people now in retirement age have still managed to dodge learning much about computers.
If you deliver a new computer that can't type a letter, send an email, and play YouTube out of the box, that seems like a fail. And I feel many that won't know what do do without something like WordPad also may not have an Internet connection, nor should they have to if they just need a presentable looking doc.
Most of my text files are from Unix/Linux systems, because I don't work much on Windows. So Wordpad is more important than Notepad for me, because the latter one does not handle end-of-lines correctly.
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Edge has a feature that lets you install websites as PWAs, which appear in the Start Menu like any other app. I assume they plan to have people use Word Online that way.
Whether or not this will be set up automatically is a different (and more important) question. But if they don't do it automatically, it's something that would only need to be done once.
Doesn't fresh installs of windows 11 come with shortcuts in the start menu for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint that opens the online versions of the software if you haven't installed office yet?
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Ms makes it very obvious that O365 is available when you turn on a new machine.
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Tbf I haven't used wordpad for a very long time. If ever.
I avoid it because if I'm editing a text file wordpad would just mess it up.
Maybe if it's an rtf file I need wordpad.
But word is available.
But word is available.
Not for me. It's just too expensive for a task that I very rarely need and there are good free alternatives (like Wordpad - though that's not the one I use personally).
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Handing it to LibreOffice or Abiword I guess. Or for cloud fans, Google Docs. I don't think anyone is going to go without a word processor because of this.
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TBH - I forgot it was there...
Yeah I think most people use web apps these days
Damn shrinkflation.
I honestly think people using comic sans is more nightmarish than anything inflicted on us by wordpad.
Comic Sans is dead all hail comic shanns
(Also I've unironically loved Comic sans for 30 years)
I too am a fan of Comic Sans. It sits in my heart the same place as overplayed dad rock.
I actually code in a monospace variant of comic sans because my life is basically a shitpost
Not to mention that Comic sans is a great accessible font for people with dyslexia
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To be honest, I never use Wordpad.
Either I just need to edit something quick, where Notepad excels, or in going to use just about any other option for text editor or word processor.
It's surprising to see how much attention this is getting. And I can't help but think how many people commenting about it actually use it to any real degree.
I don't care as long as they don't take away NotePad. NotePad has useful features I'd hate to lose - such as stripping out all formatting, and being able to search/replace wildcard characters as themselves, rather than as wildcards.
CTRL+Shift+V to paste without formatting.
Have a look at NotePad++, it even has regex-search.
A rather international nightmare I would say
Not as good of a Gerald Ford reference that way, though.
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Go with open source Office alternatives or go with Microsoft Office Mondo, if you don't want to pay. Otherwise, Microsoft 365 seems good with that 1TB storage.
Bring back Microsoft Write, cowards
Honestly, I always remove this component along with IE after installing Windows. Should have long ago been sent to it's grave.
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For apps like Calculator, the changes have been merely cosmetic, but everything from Sound Recorder to Media Player to Paint to the Snipping Tool has gotten some kind of thoughtful redesign and new features, often for the first time in a decade-plus.
The company could decide to keep adding capabilities to Notepad, an app that has been getting substantial attention from Microsoft during the Windows 11 era after many years of neglect.
Or substantial user backlash could make the company reconsider, as it did several years ago when MS Paint was marked as deprecated.
Though it was once slated for removal during the Windows 10 era, Microsoft quietly backtracked a few years later and began adding new features to Paint shortly afterward.
Paint's history is even longer than WordPad's, and there's a history of people putting in lots of time and effort to make complex works of art within the software's limitations; Microsoft's official company accounts certainly don't post screenshots of documents created in WordPad, though.
Like WordPad, Write was meant to fill the gap between the plain-text Notepad and a more fully featured word processor.
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