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Rostov holds the HQ of the Russian ministry of defense, and is also a major logistics hub.

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[–] UngodlyAudrey 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The idea of a major nuclear power like Russia having a civil war is terrifying, but hopefully Ukraine will be able to take advantage of this.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 years ago

It's a special internal discussion.

[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This doesn’t sound like a civil war. This sounds like a shake up at most.

[–] UngodlyAudrey 4 points 2 years ago

Oh, I agree. I think this will fizzle out before long. However, on the off chance this does blow up into a full-blown civil war, who knows whose hands the nukes are going to fall into?

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

That's what I was thinking. Push out all the Russian soldiers (or convince them to switch sides, which seems remarkably easy at this point) while Putin is otherwise occupied. That would end the war, and with so much else on his plate, Putin might think twice about restarting it.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 46 points 2 years ago

Prigozhin is a monster and a war criminal.

But how much infighting do we think Russia can handle without collapsing on the front?

It seems like we are about to find out.

[–] domint@feddit.de 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Another Zar going down in another Rebellion, why not.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It doesn't necessary matter if the war criminal Prigozhin gets stomped, even if it happens quickly.

How long do we think Russia needs to stay distracted before Ukraine finds a chink in their armor?

[–] HappyMeatbag 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow. Last I read, Prigozhin was talking shit, but the Russian government wasn’t actually after him yet. I’d feel bad for him if he wasn’t such a scumbag.

This will be equal parts amusing and horrifying.

[–] holo_nexus@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one knows who or what would come out of a power vacuum, but history tells us it’s usually a more hardline and extreme result. With some of the reports coming out of more hawkish elements within the Russian government adding more and more pressure on Putin to take further measures in mind, it can be a major cause for concern.

[–] Detry@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

The road to sanctions relief is paved with elections.

[–] Nugget 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just to be clear, it's the HQ for the southern region's Russian ministry of defense. Not the entire thing

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 19 points 2 years ago

It's also Rostov-on-Don and not Rostov, Yaroslavl.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not sure if replacing Putin with Prigozjin will be an improvement.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think it's unlikely he will be able to secure power.

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[–] QHC@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

The only hopeful improvement is that his reign would be more unstable and maybe the oligarchs don't support him. Like always, that means that innocent Russian civilians will take the brunt of the actual consequences.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

... And then things got worse.

[–] BlendedRacer@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would be hilarious (for us) if the Russian army attack on Wagner was actually orchestrated by Ukrainian Special Forces! "Here is a pallet of vodka, now please fire on these coordinates"!

[–] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have a feeling he made it up as some sort of power grab, but it's hard to tell whats the truth out there. The fog of war is all over this chaotic situation. But if this chaos helps Ukraine take back territory, or even just breathe for a moment, that would be great.

[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There’s a video of him talking to the general a few hours ago, after he took over the city. And it seems they all acknowledge the bus as real.

https://lemmy.ml/post/1483225?scrollToComments=true

Oh wow. There's too many developments coming out so fast, I probably shouldn't even comment on it until all the dust is settled lol.

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