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I am in the process of looking between repairing my phone or switching to a new one. And the no brainer evolution to the OnePlus 7 Pro I have is a Pixel phone. Pixel Phones are definitely not perfect, I know that the battery would fall faster than other phones but hey, that's ok, google chip in it, possibility to go GrapheneOs, all good.

But the A versions only having 128 GB, and needing to pay 100 extra Euro on the Normal and Pro phone for 256GB is ridiculous, and not allowing me to add a SD card for that! Is insane I restarted my phone in December fresh from zero, and in the last 9 months I used 163 GB of memory. 48GB of it is my music on Deezer, for which I pay to be able to download "HIFI" files which I am not willing to trade for using less space on my phone, I work in a place with no 4G, I've got a few playlist I switch between. The rest is 25 GB of Pictures, 7GB of games. 44GB of apps.

Now the answer to this is "Well now with your Pixel phone you can use the Google Cloud, Google Docs blablabla". Something insights by Google offering 3 month of Google one and 3 month of YouTube premium when you buy a Pixel phone. So much cloud that's soo cool! And you can just redownload things when you need it. Well I don't want to redownload my musics everyday when I listen to them, I don't want to trade and limit what I would call normal use. I know not everyone will resonate with this, but the carbon impact on bandwidth used from cloud in 4G is important.

Normalise SD cards, Normalise not using the Cloud as a solution for everything


Update 2 Days later

Hey, writting here because this post has brought a lot of people to talk about storage of data on phone, which is quite nice. I am writting here just because a lot of comments are repeating certain points and It wouldn't be useful answering to all of them if after their will be more comments saying the same thing.

I am not saying Cloud = Bad. It's great we have a place out there where we can Store Data in case anything happens. I simply wish either brand gave us more choice on data capacity, seeing a Pixel 7a only at 128 gb ain't cool, let me make a choice. Seing a Pixel & with 128gb or having to pay an extra 100€ for 256gb when a sd card is 30€ is not cool.

A personal server is in my plans, and it's one of the projects I'm the most impatient to have.

I understand that I have a different use of phones then the average, I simply want to be able to adapt the tools I use to my different use.

I have taken the step to take a look at the storage in my phone by curiosity and to look with a different eye my consomption of Storage, and have deleted 3gb of games, and 3gb of apps that where useless. I've also started looking into my photos and took out 3gb of photos I had which where useless. And I think there is more photos I'll delete, I am not done on that of course

My signal discussion are important to me, I am in a Long Distance Relationship, and discussions I have with my SO on Signal are the major part of my relationship, and I cherish them. I have set up signal so that it makes when charging at night a copy of my discussions, and when I have Sincthing, it loads the conv to a HDD Drive on my PC. That being said, in the floders I found bugged temp file from saves that did not end, for a total of 20 gb of Signal discussions (oof lol) which where deleted too. How ridiculus was it? Well in Storage>Files the weight of total files dropped from 20,68gb to 0,68gb

Anyway, I am now at 132gb :D! I'm not writting this because I am feeling attacked or to defend myself, just as a small update and because these are reocuring comment that's all, i'm still anwering here and there if you arrive a bit latter to the post, it's impressive from lemmy I feel to still be receiving comments and have a discussion that continues 2 day after a post. Usually on Reddit posts would die in 6 hours, and their where no dick's in the chat. I've read every single message, and answers other people did

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Normalise SD cards

I never stopped. Any phone I buy must have an SD slot. Problem solved.

[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Same here, I don't understand people buying phones without SD card and than complaining about it.

They sent a message to manufacturer that they don't want SD cart slot and of course in the next year evel less phones will have it.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reward Sony, they have low, mid, and high end phones that still have SD cards and headphone jacks.

[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I respect them for their hardware, they need to up their software game. They've been left in the dust on update lifespan by Samsung and Google. I'm also miffed that they don't have much care for specification accuracy (or at least didn't when I got my US Xperia III).

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed, I wish they had longer update timelines and were easily available in the US. But they are easily among the best overall phones with a headphone jack and expandable storage.

[–] ProperlyProperTea@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I was so close to pulling the trigger on a Sony Xperia. Then I found out they only do 2 years of software updates.

Also, there were limited options for custom ROMS

[–] rollerbang@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

As much as I'd love to, they're simply too expensive, by far. Amd I've had several Sony's compact models before that have each left me with a malfunctioning screen after about a year.

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mid tier phones have sd card support, 3.5mm jack replaceable battery.

You only have to know where to look.

removable battery

sd card

3.5mm jack

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Ok, now which ones have all three, plus a metal frame?

[–] Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Thanka for sharing the knowledge!

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[–] verysoft@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

There's no excuse for a lack of expandable storage, theres no excuse for a lack of a 3.5mm port. Phones have been stagnant for the last 3/4 years.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I do a lot of torrenting on my phone, I'm very frustrated with the current market of flagships. I have to constantly purge my downloads

I used to store music locally and I can't have 100gb of music any more because my phone is only 128. I used to download entire TV shows at once, and now I have to do it one season at a time and delete it as I watch.

Obviously it's not a big deal because I've just settled for doing it, but ffs SD card slots are cheap as shit and most of these phone manufacturers also make lower end phones with SD card slots.

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[–] renohren@partizle.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are intending to buy a phone from a cloud company whose phone making business is an afterthought.

Get a phone from a phone making company whose cloud is an aftertaught.

[–] Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

But the camera :( and GrapheneOs

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SD cards are irreplaceable to me because my phone does its backups into it. If my phone dies, I still can pull it out and have everything I need. And I'm not going to give my personal data to someone elses computer in a datacenter.

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might like something called Syncthing. It's a FOSS data replication thing that doesn't store stuff on other people's servers but if you have a computer or some other place you want to throw files, it can keep things synchronised with your phone, without any cloud storage crap ^.^

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

I highly recommend syncthing

Irs free.

You gotta set it up on all devices that sync anything but its very set and forget

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think for the majority of people 128 is plenty. If you need more than that you need to buy a phone with an SD slot. I've never had a phone without one personally.

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[–] figaro@lemdro.id 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are an extreme outlier. Most people don't have that much stuff on their phone.

I agree it would be nice if phones started at 256gb, but honestly the average person won't come close to that in 2 years, even if they don't know about Google photos.

Not that extreme. Recording alone on a newer phone uses 1GB in 8 minutes and that's not even 4k.

Then you have games. One of the most popular games in the world is Genshin Impact and its been downloaded 50,000,000+ times from Google play. It also currently needs 20GB of space.

Sure, most people don't need over 128GB, but ones that do are far from extreme outliers. Personally I travel a lot and don't usually have consistent data when I do, so I keep a couple hundred gigs of TV shows and movies on my phone to watch, along with games.

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[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone in this thread talking about phones more expensive than my car.

Speaking as a person with a $120 phone, I honestly don't have an issue with 128GB for a mobile device. I don't film on this thing daily, and the largest apps I have are Sonic Forces and Mario Kart, so I'm pretty much never going to have to worry about using the space up.

[–] chahk 3 points 1 year ago

That is fine, and it's your choice. All we want is to also have choice instead of phone manufacturers either refusing to make models with large storage, or outright ripping us off for the privilege.

[–] reverendsteveii 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

25gb of pictures

Either you don't have a backup of those because you don't care, in which case you should delete them to make room, or you don't have a backup of those and would be devastated if you lost them, which means you should back them up to the cloud, then delete them to make room. An SD card slot would be nice, you're right there, but you're not exactly cornered with no options here. You're just dismissing good options because they're not an SD card.

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[–] Wiener234@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only reason I haven't switch from my current phone(Huawei) to a Pixel with Graphene OS. How the fuck am I supposed to migrate the 190 Gb of used date to it when it only has 128 Gb and I can't use my SD-Card any longer.

I can live with loosing the headphone jack or the fingerprint on the back(even if that is pretty nice) but why would they need to takey storage options. ('Cause more money for them when I have to pay for there cloud)

[–] bug@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to diminish the serious issue of lack of freedom of choice in phones, but what the fuck do you need 190GB of data on hand at all times for?

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right? I'm a fucking data hoarder with 30+TB of shit at home and my phone has less than 30 gigs of apps/photo/videos/etc at any point in time lmao.

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[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, I do get ur point but for 99% of the world out there, 128Gigs is honestly enough. Eg. I have around 70+ gigs free atm with a small music collection of 10-12 Gigs (all flacs) and some apps.

[–] rgb3x3 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I seriously don't understand how people fill up 256GB+ on their phones. There's really no reason to carry all that stuff on your phone and if you need movies and TV shows, just download the ones you want before going on a trip and delete them as you watch.

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[–] portside@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My phone (redmi note 10) has a memory card slot and dual sim slots. I recently bought a 128Gb memory card for around 10$. I'll always go for a phone with a microSD slot.

[–] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

I don't really have that problem myself, but I fully agree anyway. It does not matter what your use case is. It is 2023, flash storage is cheap and we can get much more storage for any other device for a fraction of the cost. $100 is ridiculously overpriced.

Honestly by now I would have expected 1 TB to be the default, but somehow we got stuck with low internal storage for the past 10 years.

[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am totally fine with 64 GB if I have a fucking SD card slot!!!

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google wants you to use their services. You don't want to use them, so you aren't the target market. That's ok, get something else.

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[–] IdleSheep@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I totally feel you OP. I have a 500+ GB music collection I refuse to give up for streaming apps (which don't have all that music anyway). But I also acknowledge the vast majority of people install a couple apps, take a couple pics and videos, and that's about it, so I get why 128 is the default.

My solution was to cough up money for a DAP (specifically the Fiio M11S). I know it's outside the budget of most people and definitely a super niche purchase, but boy do I feel relieved knowing I can plug my 1 TB SD card in in it and have all my music whenever I want to (plus other neat features like an actual audio jack and no audio resampling). And it also means I'm no longer restricted in my phone choices which is wonderful.

Maybe it's something for you to consider over a NAS or other local server solutions that require more upkeep.

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[–] zikk_transport2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Disagree

Any mobile device (that is not stationary).is a risk of being lost or stolen, which means if you have important data on it - it's at risk

Cloud services offers backup for such data, so large storage is not needed.

[–] chahk 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cloud services offers backup for such data, so large storage is not needed.

One does not negate the other! I self-host my own photo and document backup service, but that's not a replacement for actual on-device storage. Just try pulling up a "backed-up" picture when you have slow connection or no Internet at all.

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You can and should have both.

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[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Use a USB c flash drive. I have a 128 gb phone with a 256 gb flash drive and it works

[–] pseudonym@monyet.cc 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does it just stay in there all day? Seems like a phone butt plug

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[–] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I agree. My current smartphone has 128GB of internal storage. My previous one had 32GB of internal, which was a struggle. I downloaded a few large games and did less micro management on this one. But, I still needed an sdcard(128GB) for media. In the future, I will consider upgrading to a smartphone with 256GB of internal storage(and/or buy a high capacity sdcard)

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can get a small USB dongle for media if you want. Android supports USB for added storage for media.

[–] tilgare@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes, a flawless solution!

just get an external ssd drive and some double-sided tape to stick it to the back of your phone. If you want to increase your battery life you can also stick a powerbank on there as well.

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[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Kyoyeou It's okay to have 128 GB on a phone. At least for me. I got away even with 16 GB until last year, and I could still easily get away with 32 GB if I try hard enough.

What is not okay is to make such phones and not provide an SD card slot on it.

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[–] binboupan@lemmy.kagura.eu 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You guys have 128gb? I have 64 on mine lol

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

I have 64 internal and a 512GB SD

My previous Galaxy S5 device had just 32 internal, and capped out at a 128GB SD 😭

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[–] DadeMurphy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It is and it isn’t. Let me preface this by saying flash storage should not be as expensive as it is. That being said, you may think 128gb is low, but most people aren’t going to want to be forced into paying more for a device that starts with 256, especially when plenty of people get on fine with 128. Not when the price will reflect the larger storage. If you think they are going to up the storage and not the price, you’re dreaming.

Especially on an iPhone, since it only has one partition and isn’t using extra space to fill a B partition with another OS.

If you’re just a casual user, who just uses a few apps and needs portable access to the internet, 128gb is plenty.

Cloud storage isn’t really a solution to augment your storage capacity, since you don’t actually own it. If you stop paying your cloud subscription, all of your data goes bye bye.

TL;DR stop crying and pony up for more local storage. I’m paying an extra 400 or so for 1TB.

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