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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 157 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I could never go back to Windows, after having tasted the freedom of Linux.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 103 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Linux has its flaws, but so does Windows. And for me, the flaws in Windows became much more annoying than the ones in Linux. Game compatibility was the main factor that kept me backt from using it on a desktop, and that's a non issue nowadays.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Flaws I didn't pay for piss me off a lot less.

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[–] ScoobyDoo27@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I always see people say this but does no one here use professional apps like solidworks or revit? Are there good Linux alternatives? I’d switch to Linux but I need solidworks for work I do.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Windows is the defacto standard for desktop PCs for a reason. In a corporate setting it's kind of the ideal.

Because of the sheer number of users, most software is built with Windows in mind and therefore has the most support. It's pretty rare that you find an application that doesn't have a Windows build available.

On top of that tools like Active Directory, and group policy makes managing thousands of machines at scale a reasonably simple affair.

Microsoft is a corporation rather than a community so you can always expect their main goals to be profit-driven and that comes with some nasty baggage, but it's not enough that it's easy for professionals to make the switch.

Linux has made lightspeed progress over the last decade, especially with Proton making games mostly work cross platform, but outside of specialist use cases, the vast majority of business PCs and by extension home PCs will be running Windows for the foreseeable future.

[–] Redscare867@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I work in software and I haven’t touched windows in a very long time. Even back whenever I worked on FPGA development all of that software ram on Linux, so I think you’ll find that this is very field dependent.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 93 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I've worked exclusively with Linux servers since 2002 and exclusively Linux desktop since 2004 and I've come to the point where I prettyuch refuse to touch windows for fear it will infect me somehow.

I know most people don't know any better but it's insanity to me that anyone still pays money for windows. It's a scam, no other words for it.

Don't even get me started on Windows servers. It's just sad to see how much money is spent on a company that has so litte focus on quality.

Even the online services suck. Dear God Microsoft, would it kill you to understand that people might have gasp TWO tabs open with your teams "app"?

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[–] master@lem.serkozh.me 89 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Windows: "We dropped support for that thing you bought brand new 5 years ago"

Linux: "We are considering dropping support for something that has existed for longer than you had"

[–] argv_minus_one 34 points 1 year ago

Linux: “We're dropping support for this device because we're fairly sure we had the last one in existence and it just died.”

[–] JackBruh@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

The some random guy keeps supporting it anyways just because.

[–] DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Hell, I can get a 30 year old HP LaserJet 4 printer working just fine on almost any version of Linux with the official HPLIP CLI software provided by (shockingly) HP, which was updated 2 months ago with support for over 50 new printers and the following OSes:

  • LinuxMint 21.1
  • MxLinux 21.3
  • Elementary OS 7
  • Ubuntu 22.10
  • RHEL 8.6
  • RHEL 8.7
  • RHEL 9.1
  • Fedora 37

I HATE HP and their printers (PC LOAD LETTER WTF FOR LIFE) but I will admit that this is impressive support.

[–] sane@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Still can't believe they dropped support for i386 😤

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 year ago

I upgraded my Intel system to AMD today. And I didn't have to reinstall a damn thing, because my existing Linux installation Just Worked™. It really is to the point that I could never imagine going back to Windows.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Everyone acts like nvidia support on linux is completely broken. I game with nvidia on mine regularly and have never had a driver bug.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 31 points 1 year ago

It's not that it's broken, it's that the open source driver stack and AMD cards are a superior experience. The Nvidia Linux driver is just like the Windows driver.

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[–] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I was flirting with Linux for 20 years. There was always something that put me off an I went back to Windows. Recently I installed ubuntu with Kde plasma and I'm not going back. It just works and is heaps faster on older hardware. The old driver issues are gone, compatibility is awesome. The only issue is getting used to new software names.

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[–] s20@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You know, I've been using Linux on desktops and laptops for like 20 years now. I can count on one hand then number of times I've had hardware support issues. Outside of a fingerprint scanner, I've been able to solve all of those issues.

Meanwhile, my adventures across the years dealing with Windows drivers led me to finally say "fuck it" earlier this year and nuke the Windows install on my gaming rig in favor of Nobara.

I'll take Linux hardware support over Microsoft any day of the week.

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Linux will run on anything

Ps3. Raspberry pi. Phones. All computers ive ever tried to install it on.. and even M-chip macs.

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[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Linux does support more CPU architecture (x86 Arm PowerPC RISC) while Windows only support x86 and some Arm CPU so technically Linux support more CPU but Windows does support more GPU and Plug and Play devices (controller, external sound card...)

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Windows 11 inherently does not support my CPU because of their fake secure boot requirement. You have to have UEFI.

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[–] OneRedFox 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The only real hardware problems I come across these days with Linux is WiFi cards being shit. As far as I'm concerned, carefully selecting hardware is a problem for the *BSDs at this point. Am I missing something?

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yep, really new hardware is still an issue.

My new Zenbook (AMD CPU/GPU) had pretty major issues until the chip family was around a year old.

Previous to this laptop, I always got older hardware when it went on sale (usually from Dell), chip sets and CPU's that have had a while to "mature" I never had any issues with. Except of course with Nvidia drivers, those are always shit.

If you stick with older hardware, you very likely wouldn't ever experience hardware issues.

I've been running various distributions at my primary OS since around 2006. Hardware support these days is amazing.

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[–] giacomo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Blows my mind that anyone would use windows.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Active directory and it's integration with services such as DNS and DHCP is pretty great though. I wish Microsoft started focusing less on cloud and improved the user (or rather admin) experience of their server tools, they are quite awful is some cases.

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[–] Lowered_lifted 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linux OSes have always been the ones to run on everything lol, it took Microsoft like a decade to make Windows run on ARM

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[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Yall miss the point. Im guessing willfully. No average desktop user wants to be forced to use command line to do anything.

Linux will never see mainstream desktop usage.

[–] jungekatz@lib.lgbt 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

U dont need command line on most just works distros for average use ! My brother and my mom use linux mint and ubuntu on their PCs and it just works !

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[–] 0ddysseus@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago

I've been using various distros for the past 6 months trying to find the right fit for my work. I do remote desktop support of many windows based enterprises.

I use Linux desktop every single day for 8 hours. I also play games of all sorts.

KDE neon was what I had when I started out and it was great. Zero problems. There's no reason you'd ever need CLI in plasma desktop that I can see. Fedora/plasma is a no go. Too complex with selinux and you really do need to know what you're doing. Still quite usable for 90% of day to day

For the past month I've been on mint 21 and have had zero issues and zero CLI time. Been enjoying baldurs gate 3 out of the box, using outlook, teams, various browsers and whatnot. Not going to give a comprehensive list here, but everything works perfectly and almost everything has been installed straight from the software manager.

[–] JGrffn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

GUI alternatives are constantly improving and becoming more visually pleasing throughout distros, and besides, there's real scenarios where normal people HAVE to use Powershell or CMD to get stuff done on Windows. This is becoming less and less of a hurdle.

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[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Surely we can admit that Linux is ready for general population on the desktop? It's the better choice overall, but the barrier to entry is very high.

Edit: I mistyped and missed the word "not". It's "not ready for general population on the desktop". Sorry guys.

[–] authed@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The barrier of entry is basically the same as Windows if you buy a laptop with Linux pre-installed

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[–] ultrasquid@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

To be fair, Nvidia support on Linux has been historically quite poor, with users having to manually install drivers (something the average person shouldn't have to think about). Though even that has gotten much better recently, with Debian now allowing forks to have proprietary drivers built in.

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[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes... it is easy as long as you do something difficult first.

Reminds me of that comment on Dropbox where some guy said it's going to fail because he can easily build something similar with an ftp server.

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[–] Fifthdread@lemmy.server.fifthdread.com 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I want to use Linux at the desktop, but I want HDR and Freesync support. Not sure if Linux supports either in a big way.

[–] cole@lemdro.id 14 points 1 year ago

Freesync yes, HDR soon™

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[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I just put Arch Linux on a tiny laptop that was struggling to run Windows 11 after an upgrade, and it runs smooth like butter now. Feels good.

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[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You get to choose between hardware dependency hell and software dependency hell these days.

[–] camillaSinensis@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've used Linux on my private laptop for the past few years, never had any major issues. Work desktop is running Ubuntu, no major problems except for the odd bit of poorly maintained software (niche science things, so that's not really a Linux issue). Laptop breaks, I get a Windows 11 laptop from work...and I've had so many problems. Updates keep breaking everything, and I've had to do a factory reset more than once since the recovery after those updates also always failed. Wish I had my good old Linux laptop back :(

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[–] computerscientistI@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I try using Linux on my desktop PC from time to time. Whenever I buy a new rig, I try Linux, as I want to reinstall the system anyway. It never worked. I always tried with brand new hardware -> something is not properly supported -> install current windows. Rinse and repeat every 4 or 5 years whenever I get my hand on a new desktop or laptop. That never changed for the last 20 years.

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[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have found Linux to have excellent HW support for all older hardware. Only notable exception is fingerprint readers. Granted, it's been years since I tried gaming.

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[–] Rhabuko@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, another Linux circlejerk. Man I like my Debian but this stuff is so obnoxious…

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as you dont use nvidia linux works really well.

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[–] CIWS-30@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'll probably transition my AMD 8350 build over to Linux when Win10 stops being supported. As opposed to my mom's FX-8370 build, which I'll probably just have to replace with a new Windows 11 system, as there's no way I'm expecting her (an elderly woman) to learn anything other than Windows. Especially since she's reliant on Windows-only apps.

The actual hardware she's using will probably be converted to a Linux Desktop, but I'll have to migrate her data to a new mini Windows 11 PC or something.

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[–] fraydabson@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I officially switched my desktop and server to Linux. If I could switch my work computer I would. I bought a MacBook Air recently because I didn’t know Linux laptops were getting so popular. But I like the Mac and can still do some Linux like stuff in the terminal.

Just wish I could stop windows use at work.

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