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[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Surely we can admit that Linux is ready for general population on the desktop? It's the better choice overall, but the barrier to entry is very high.

Edit: I mistyped and missed the word "not". It's "not ready for general population on the desktop". Sorry guys.

[–] authed@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The barrier of entry is basically the same as Windows if you buy a laptop with Linux pre-installed

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But someone has to install it on the laptop and put in on the store shelf. And I'd love to see that happen. It just hasn't yet. Not enough.

[–] authed@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are many available but unfortunately they are usually more expensive for thee same hardware

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which makes no material sense, but makes sense when you remember what a monopoly Windows has.

[–] authed@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure that explains it

[–] GiantBasil 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, is not super common for sure, but Dell sure sell the same laptops with Ubuntu pre installed, they're a bit cheaper too. At least in here South america they do, pretty much every single computer they sell has a Linux option from the box.

But I also can't think of any other big brands that also do that, so you have a point, Asus and Acer have some models, but they're harder to find, even online.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

It's a future I wish for, but I'm not seeing it.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What barrier, it's totally easier to use than windblows.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, in the real world, Windows has won. It's the default desktop OS. Whatever Linux distro is trying to take over needs to be just as simple to use, and needs to be designed so that most of the knowledge that your grandma has regarding her Windows computer can transfer over. Once that happens, and the only difference between Windows and Linux is the cost, then Linux will win.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My grandma never lived to see Windows or Linux. But my mom who's in her 80s learned Linux pretty much instantly when moving from XP to Mint.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but XP was on the tail end of operating systems that still needed their users to understand what's going on. Back then, you HAD to be "tech savvy" (at least relative to today) in order to get your computer set up. People understood what a file was. What a file format was. They needed to understand what folders were on their computer and how to get to them from different applications. The kind of knowledge that you'd think people still have.

Since then every single UX designer has been working towards making everything "just work". So, at this point people just assume that technology is doing what they intend it to do in their heads. Everything auto opens, auto updates, auto installs, and auto syncs. In modern operating systems you don't control over anything, but everything is done for you. Obviously that's not really the case, but that's the design. And now, most people don't even have a desktop in their home. Most people do everything from their phone and use a tablet for anything that the phone is too small for. And because of that, many people coming out of school don't know what a "file folder" even is. What it means to put a file onto a flash drive and move it to a computer. It's old people nonsense to them.

I hope that we can bridge this gap, but I don't know how that would work.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You make a very valid point, I didn't think of that problem before. My mother learned how to use a PC back in 1988 when we had XT and Wordstar. It's obvious that she understands the basics of OS and filesystems, but I guess that skill is now becoming quite fringe.

[–] averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you use a system like mint and it is as easy if not easier to use that windows and the local application search bar actually works decently and doesnt bring up a bunch of useless fucking web results.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

I guess the last thing is to get some company to install it on laptops and sell them at Walmart. Because the "normies" are not going to go out to install something themselves.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

This. so much this.

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[–] corm@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Eh, it runs most games now which was the only thing it was missing for me.