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Up to now I've been using Simplenote, which has a Linux client (but also Android & iOS) & supports live collaboration on notes. However, Simplenote hasn't had a meaningful update for a long time, & it's recently been behaving strangely, e.g. notes undeleting themselves, line duplications & undeletions.

Can anyone recommend an alternative? Spinning up an ownCloud/nextcloud instance just to use Joplin feels a little overkill. I stumbled across turtl, but the project looks abandoned.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Joplin has multiple sync options. Other than Nextcloud, you can use OneDrive, Dropbox, and they have a subscription service as well.

Obsidian is another to look at, but you need to either pay for sync or bring your own sync (~~though I don't know that you can sync to mobile without using their sync~~ edit: see below comment by @fossisfun@lemmy.ml that explains how to do it).

I think it's probably helpful to know if sync across platforms is important to you, and if so, whether you're willing to pay for it. I'm not sure that there are really many alternatives to an app provided for free with free syncing - that costs money to provide and honestly I'd be a bit dubious about using a service like that.

[–] fossisfun@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can select a local folder in Obsidian for Android and sync the folder with Syncthing. You can even revoke network permissions for Obsidian and it all works completely offline (Flatpak override: --unshare=network / GrapheneOS: don't allow the network permission).

This is my current setup, even though Obsidian is not FOSS. I like that it stores standard Markdown files in a traditional filesystem hierarchy, instead of what Joplin does with using Markdown files as a database. This means that with Obsidian I can use any text editor or any other Markdown app to access and edit my notes, whereas with Joplin I would have to export them first to standard Markdown and then potentially rename and reorganise all the files and their attachments.

[–] Xephopiqua@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately with iOS you are stuck with Obsidian Sync because Syncthing does not work because of the permission model. Otherwise I prefer Obsidian over Joplin for the above mentioned reasons and nice extension ecosystem. It's easy to get your files out of Obsidian, no vendor lock-in

[–] jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Möbius sync is a Syncthing client for iOS. I have the same setup as Foss Is Fun and everything works very well

[–] FreeLunch@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am also using iOS with Möbius Sync and it is working quite well. The sync is not running all the time in the background due to iOS restrictions but it is running multiple times per day on my device.

The option to sync folders was only introduced this year. It costs about 5$ one time payment.

[–] krissen@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Syncing over iCloud drive works well (Obsidian, iOS).

[–] WhiteHotaru@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I as well use iCloud for syncing and it works well.

[–] FreeLunch@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There will be many conversion tools for Joplin to other structures. So I guess the format is a non issue.

[–] fossisfun@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Joplin has export options itself, but I just don't like how Joplin manages notes on a filesystem. If it can be done nicely (see Obsidian), why bother with something needlessly complex (file structure, need to sync with the filesystem, etc.)?

But everyone has different requirements and for the right person, Joplin can certainly be a good solution. ;)

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago
[–] sapo 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also plenty of FOSS obsidianlikes. Logseq looks promising, but I'm sticking with Obsidian because I rely a lot on some of the extensions.

Either way, migrating is as easy as opening the same folder in one app or the other, so you might as well try.

[–] fossisfun@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I didn't know about Logseq! Looks really interesting and since there's a Flatpak available, I'll give it a try. Thanks for mentioning it!

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Git clone with something like Termux on Android ? Bit of hassle, but you can make a desktop shortcut with bash scripts to make it easier.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obsidian is a brilliant note app, it's free provided you setup your cloud sync solution (I use syncthing) as it just creates .md files that you can do whatever you want with

[–] Templa 3 points 1 year ago

Obsidian is not open source

[–] sxan@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just sync a directory called "Notes" everywhere and use whatever text editor is most comfortable on any given platform to edit Markdown documents. Helix on desktop, Markor (or, increasingly, Simple Text Editor) on Android. For checklists, same thing except I use todo.txt for the file format, and the todo script on the desktop and Simpletask on Android.

I have been looking for a self-hosted, concurrent collaborative web editor, as asking my wife to write Markdown is a bit much, and the syncing becomes more complex, but I haven't settled on something.

[–] krash@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hedgedoc is a competent selfhostable alternative. V2.0 is around the corner.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks, Hedgedoc looks like a neat project. It's focused on Markdown, which is nice, and the preview is handy. The editor requires some knowledge of Markdown, and willingness to use it in some instances, which means it won't be the best option for my wife. While she's certainly capable of learning markdown, she has no willingness - it's one of those areas where she just can't be arsed to fuss with it. Embedding images, for example, and even seeing the markup while she's editing is distracting for her.

Anyway, I need to find some WYSIWIG editor. If it saves and loads markdown, all the better, but it's more important that the editor lool Word-ish, which is what she has to use at work.

Thanks for the pointer, though!

[–] harl3k1n@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe Notesnook? There's a free version and they also offer a payed plan if you need more options.

[–] FarLine99@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Notesnook looks really promising!

[–] Minty95@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For note taking, Joplin is pretty good, in fact I went from Simplenote to Evernote (over kill and not free) to Joplin using Dropbox for the syncing (syncing is done by Joplin, so you don't need a 'syncing' app) between my PCs, all Linux and my Android phone. Simple to set up and free. I do not use it as a Journal as that is extremely poor, but for notes, it's perfect

[–] jqheywood@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jqheywood@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Minty95 @OrkneyKomodo syncing to nextcloud instead of dropbox though

[–] Minty95@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

They must have got this right finally. I tried that years ago, it took hours, where as Dropbox took a couple of seconds. And as I only use DB for that now. Never bothered changing it

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’m rethinking how I keep notes etc and something you wrote really caught my attention; that you don’t use it for journaling but do for note-taking.

What are the differences between note taking and journaling that requires different applications? Also, what do you use for journaling in that case?

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[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just sync .text or .md files using syncthing. Total control!

[–] krdo@lmmy.net 4 points 1 year ago

I do the same, and eventually I started using Obsidian on top, but you can always switch to something else that opens markdown (vim!)

[–] fossisfun@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't need your own server to use Joplin. You can select a local directory to store your notes and sync this directory with Syncthing between devices.

I am not sure if this works with iOS though.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Joplin + Syncthing is great, as other people suggested.
I keep it even more simple: I write stuff in markdown, share my .md files with Syncthing and edit them with markdown editors.
The best I've tried so far for Android is Markor, while on Linux I either use Ghostwriter (on KDE) or Marker (on Gnome)

[–] astrsk@artemis.camp 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obsidian and a shared Dropbox/Google Drive/OneDrive folder?

[–] png@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago

Obsidian isnt FOSS sadly, but still very good and you own your files

[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Notesnook and Standard Notes are really good. Both are end-to-end encrypted and FOSS.

Every other app and solution I've tried is kinda janky, e.g. using Dropbox, git, Syntching or some other app to sync across devices. I want an all-in-one, encrypted, cloud-based, FOSS solution.

I've been using Standard Notes for some years now and I'm pretty happy with it.

[–] -spam-@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Been using Joplin for ages, absolutely no dramas with it at all.

[–] AzureCerulean@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

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[–] lefarfadet@mstdn.io 3 points 1 year ago

@OrkneyKomodo
I use #syncthing as an alternative to cloud services. Share two folders, no matter where they are, on what device etc, provided the device can run a version of syncthing.
And its not only notes: pictures, movies and whatnot.
I transfered 60gb of pictures from the family oc to my phone with that

[–] observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Agree about Joplin. No need for a full NextCloud instance, I use the WebDAV option which Apache has pretty much out of the box.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I use Trilium

[–] bear@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

If you want it to be truly multiplat and want to control it, you either need a self-hosted web service (simple as a basic wiki or as complex as nextcloud) or just sync plaintext markdown files and use an editor on each platform. Anything else and you'll just eventually end up in the same situation.

[–] Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Anyone else tried Acreom? I don't think it's open source though, but a local first markdown editor with some cool features like integration with Jira and has a nice UI.

That said, I still haven't decided if I will stick with it. I use Obsidian for journaling, brain dumps, and documenting projects in working on. Ive tried also using it as a Google Keep replacement, but its not really geared for the To-do/shopping lists that I use Keep for.

[–] sLLiK@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've used vim with a smattering of essential plugins for years to do this, and only this year moved to Neovim for the same.

It's not Open Source, but I've also taken a hefty liking to Obsidian's canvas mode. Likewise, I share a small selection of lists with my other half via Google Keep.

[–] Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[–] o1o12o21@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have been using QOwnNotes for about 6 months. It is cross platform, lightweight, extensible and a plain-text markdown note-taking program written in C++/Qt. It can integrate with Nextcloud. Installable via scoop on Window and apt on Debian† (after installing their apt key).

Author is quite responsive on GH issues.

† Also most major Unixes

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Affine.pro has potential but a couple months from cloud.

SiYuan is solid and FOSS (GPL)

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I personally use Markor on Android and (neo)vim on Linux. I sync the note files using rsync (but syncthing is totally viable also).

It's probably not the solution you want but thought I'd mention it for others interested.

[–] roanescence@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on what method h use for note taking.

If it's not that professionally or for research purposes used then simple note is great.

If it's about research data then obsidian.

Also u will obviously find it difficult to find a good FOSS app for note taking that many of them won't support sync and collaboration.

[–] Either6393@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I've been using silverbullet.md but it's self hosted

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Emacs + org-mode + maybe org-roam

Amazing features, can export to a bunch of common formats.

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