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Highest upvoted helmsman in this thread will be declared best helmsman in the fleet.

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[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm gonna rank them because Sulu

  1. Sulu - has a sword. The OG. No comparison. Completely outclasses the others, but he's had the most development as a character over the years, so I don't really think it's a fair comparison
  2. Ortegas - I've been surprisingly impressed with the actress and she's without a doubt the most likeable after Sulu. The recent season has made her really interesting, and I hope the writers keep expanding her character. She's fantastic. "I fly the ship!"
  3. Tom Paris - best character development after Sulu, has consistently great moments throughout Voyager. I did feel his acting felt lackluster at times, which is why I gave Ortegas the spot above
  4. Mayweather - good solid performance, interesting character with a better background with Paris. I wish the writers had done more with the character.
  5. Detmer - again great potential in the character, but the writers never really let her shine. I wanted to find out more about her, but Discovery was so overshadowed by Michael's character that Detmer felt disappointingly underused.
  6. Ro - solid acting, but not much character depth. Never really clicked for me as a "helmsman" - always seemed like she was doing things other than piloting. Never really clicked as part of the crew in the way the rest of the cast did.
  7. Cartoon Dude - I have no idea what this guy's name is, but he's not Wesley.
  8. Wesley - I have great sympathy for Wil Wheaton's difficult experiences on set as child actor, but that simply cannot distill the loathing I have for this character. TNG was a near perfect Trek in almost every respect, save when Crusher was in the scene.
[–] Infynis@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cartoon Dude is "Captain" Gavin, a civilian that got stuck on a replica Phoenix that was stolen by the Lower Decks crew, so they could use it to steal their own ship from dry dock.

When the Lower Decks crew made it aboard their ship, they left him to fly off in the Phoenix on his own for his "Trek amongst the stars!"

He was eventually rescued by Star Fleet, adrift near Jupiter

[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks - I've watched a bit of the 1st season of Lower Decks, but hadn't gotten to that part yet.

Still better than Wesley.

[–] Horik@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago

You gave words to my exact thoughts and feels.

Congratulations, you get to be me today.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I don't even know a lot of those but yes, Wesley must go!

[–] peek_a_boo@startrek.website 33 points 1 year ago

My vote goes to Erica

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Infynis@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But Captain Proton has a Destructor Beam!

[–] DrChaotica@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Overrated! 😡

[–] PochoHipster@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ortegas has wielded a sword too. I’d like to see them both wield a bat’leth. For honor you know.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

The Federation's Helmsmen quality peaked in the 23rd century.

[–] Emperor_Cartagia@startrek.website 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wesley, Ro, and Bozeman Tourist are eliminated immedietly, we never see them do anything fancy at all, they input courses and hit engage, that's it.

Of those remaining, Sulu is what most people think when they think fancy starship flying, but, if you really look at it, his top moments are manually flying a shuttle into a shuttle bay, and skillfully pulling rather relaxed but precise maneuvers piloting the Enterprise in V'Ger, the Bounty, and a Huey helicopter. No high speed are rapid maneuvering. So while he gets points for skill and for being able to fly anything he gets into, he's not the top pilot.

Detmer has shown some fancy flying, including combat maneuvers, but only on the Discovery. We don't know if she's as skilled if she's put into a shuttle or an atmospheric craft.

Mayweather, for all the failure to utilize his character, has been put in the hot seat with high pressure, rapid and precise maneuvering. Romulan minefields, combat against the Xindi, high warp precision formation flying, he really is a great pilot.

Ortega is right up there too, she flew into the accretion disk of a black hole while fighting the Gorn, even with her memory severely hampered she piloted the Enterprise through an asteroid field. She flies the ship, top marks, but...

Tom motherfucking Paris. This guy can fly through asteroid fields, through torn up subspace, fluidic space, quantum slipstream tunnels, shuttles, shuttles he designed, shuttles underwater, terrestrial vehicles, high speed combat maneuvers, you name it he can do it. Tom Paris is in my mind the unquestioned #1.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Isnt Wesley effectivly a traveler? Being able to "blip" into any part of the galaxy on demand is a pretty hard to beat feat for a helmsman.

[–] DrChaotica@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't count unless you're actively commissioned/enlisted in Starfleet, though.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doesnt that invalidate Tom then? He was given a battlefield reinstatement by Janeway, and most of his feats fell in that time period.

Whoes to say that ol "make it so" cant blip a commision on Traveler Crusher on demand?

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Tom Paris is an amazing pilot but he's the most bland bad boy ever. At least some of the others are interesting!

[–] Doug@midwest.social 31 points 1 year ago

Tom. Gotta be Tom

[–] Shut_up_Wesley@startrek.website 26 points 1 year ago
[–] teft@startrek.website 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] VladimirGrey@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] charonn0@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

Target the other candidates and fire.

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Sulu all the way!

[–] milkisklim@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will not stand for this Jadzia Dax erasure. Does any one else have TWO lifetimes of being shuttle pilots? No.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't the first Dax pilot die in a piloting accident, though?

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

I don't know if she ever said if it was pilot error or not though. He was a test pilot, so the accident may have been due to a flaw in the shuttle he was testing

[–] numbers@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

How many other pilots survived dying in a crash? You can't buy that kind of experience!

[–] Datas_Cat_Spot@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago

If anyone says to vote out Sulu, I'm coming at you with a fencing saber.

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Ro and Paris team up to rogue their way through everybody else, expecting to betray each other at the last minute. Tom cooperates, Ro defects.

[–] PochoHipster@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

The people demand Ortegas. She has the killer instinct.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are we considering their piloting skills or their personality off the bridge?

[–] Tubulous 4 points 1 year ago

Tom Paris, but I am admittedly going through Voyager right now. Sulu is the other on my list.

[–] eva_sieve@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I question the inclusion of Gavin the Botanist as the Lower Decks entry--doesn't Boimler at least man the helm when he's on the bridge, including the season 1 and 3 finales?

(While federation ships have some variation on which front console is main ops vs. helm, the Cerritos' ops is stage left, mostly indicated by Ensign Barnes' occasional presence there.).

[–] teft@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gavin, the pilot, was really only included because I couldn't think of an 8th pilot and I had just gotten done watching Lower Decks. But if I ever repost it I will include Boims for you.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

Rutherford probably would have been a good choice for Lower Decks. We know his past self was a champion sublight racer, and his current self beat him in a race piloting the Delta Flyer. He just doesn't get much time behind the helm because he's now an engineer first and foremost

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How is Lt. Commander Data not here?

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Data on the last episode of PIC pretty much out flew everyone in that fat ass Galaxy Class Enterprise. Driving likes hes in Tokyo Drift 😂

[–] GaiusGornicusCaesar@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You mean 4? Detmer, Ro, Gavin, and Welsey don't have anything to use against the other 4.

EDIT: Detmer may have something against the other 4.

[–] mowli@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Goldmaster@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Sulu, Travis, Tom Paris, get my vote