Great, the programmer humor has inherited "JavaScript bad" from Reddit.
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That's not a Reddit thing. That's just a thing.
JavaScript is an abomination and real jobs don't use it
I hate js, but are ya sure
That's just an urban legend
uh i use it every day at my very real job?
You can't fool me
Hey stop being sarcastic! This is a serious programing community here... Wait.
Things can be both bad and useful.
whoa whoa whoa
how can we have a flamewar if youre going to be all reasonable like that
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furiously clicking non actionable button
"Sometimes there is a better choice than JavaScript"
We call it TypeScript
I heard they're looking to add typing to JavaScript in a very similar style as TypeScript. Basically running TypeScript in the browser without tsc.
There's at least a proposal which I hope they'll continue with.
Wrong, annoying animations was Flash's thing. Javascript was made for annoying popups and alert boxes
Also for these animated status line texts that were supposed to show what's being loaded currently.
I was there for the first wave of SPAs, I even learned angularJs and Knockout. It did feel like a major atep forward, being able to make highly interactive applications. However, things quickly went off the rails when the tools stopped being about managing heavy client state, and became the default for everything, even when it ment using JavaScript to build extremely basic functionally browsers did natively with html, but extremely worse(e.g. navigation). The modern Web really is a victim of hype and trends.
Unless your app needs to work offline, or you have to manage dozens of constantly changing client side data points concurrently, your site doesn't need to be a big heavy js framework. My rule is if it looks like Google Maps, you need a SPA. if it looks like Gmail you need REST/HATEOS. and if it looks like google's mainpage, you need a server side rendering.
At some point you might see the light, and go back to making your websites simpler, but Im not hopeful. Until then I'm building the majority of things with HTMX and alpineJs.
I thought that's what GIF was created for... Even if the original introduction of it is saying something completely different.
Say that to the madlad who wrote a virtual machine in js that can boot Linux and Windows: https://bellard.org/jslinux/
Something something he could, something he should
Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫
JS is fine. But as with any tool it's not the best for every scenario.
The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it's overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.
Don't let it get to you. This is mostly just a circlejerk by people who don't even use JS themselves.
Honest answer: JS is a shitty language and I despise it. BUT you can learn a ton of stuff with that, all the features (loops, conditions, variables, etc.) that exist in other languages. You will hate JS one day too, but right now it's good to learn, and when you'll switch to other languages, you'll be happy you learned something.
So yes, JS sucks, but no, it won't be useless for your future. Keep on working, programming is really fun.
css can do animations, and it's much more performant then js. I hate how over-used JavaScript is on "modern" websites.
some websites are even straight up unusable or don't display anything with js disabled....
Some websites, JavaScript is necessary for doing things without overloading a server. Mostly SPAs/PWAs and such. I’m using Voyager for Lemmy right now, which needs JS, but it gives me a great experience.
But yeah, JS is often overused. Luckily, with new technologies coming out like Astro and HTMX, we should hopefully start seeing less JavaScript on pages that don’t need it.
Still wayting for a native solution to AJAX.
No, not Java beans.
htmx just generates js too
However, it uses a lot less JS. It’s only a few lines of JS to replace an HTML element, but a lot more to parse a bunch of JSON and then alter the HTML to reflect that.
Like, not creating annoying animations.
PHP dynamic sites, Ruby on Rails, or MVC in whatever language works for you is really what we should be doing