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Russia’s war in Ukraine is already in its 17th month. In that time, President Vladimir Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is not bothered by losses — whether they be financial, material, or human. His war will go on as long as he needs. And, judging by how the authorities have woven the so-called “special military operation” into Russian life, that will be a long time.

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 year ago

Russia is so weak and pathetic. I'd call them a joke but their war crimes aren't funny.

[–] wildncrazyguy@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So they’re raiding their welfare fund to sustain the war. Thing is, according to the newsletter, the fund will go from 6.8 to 2.5 trillion rubles in 1 year. And this is to be an eternal war? What do they do once everyone’s pensions are wiped out?

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

no one is counting on pensions here. even if you have worked all your life in 2 companies at the same time with salary near 4000$ at mounth, you will receive pension only $160 per month.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are these the real Russian pensions? I am confused as you used dollars and not rubles.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No one would understand what the amount in rubles means here. I suspect that even in dollars it is difficult to understand.

For example, is it possible to survive in Russia on $ 160 a month? The answer is - if you have a living space in a property or a country house, then yes, although this will make you save a lot on food, and in some cases you will starve a little.

In general, if you are interested in delving into the topic, there are a lot of social benefits for pensioners in Russia. For example, you can not pay land tax if you live outside the city, do not pay tax for a car, do not pay for public transport and in some cases for train tickets. Medical care is also free, although queues usually line up for several weeks in advance. But almost all of these benefits are provided not by the pension fund, but by other.

I can't speak for everyone, but many of my friends pensioners who have suburban plots are engaged in gardening to save on food. In any case, in the western part of Russia, where the climate allows.

In any case, in numbers, the situation is still exactly like this. My father has not worked officially for half his life and receives a pension of 13,000 rubles. 143$. My mother worked almost all her life at two jobs with a high salary and receives 18,000 rubles. 197$. Almost all pensioners rely on children to provide money or work to death.

And proof for you:

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Thx for the explanation. So pensions in Russia suck. Sad

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I see the Russia shills and trolls have finally started to move on from reddit now lol. LarkinDePark, Yogthos. RIP.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bud those "Russian shills" have been here much longer than you

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does that change what they are?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We haven't come to a mutually agreed definition and it doesn't seem to be worth my time to do so with you.

I am simply pointing out that you're trying to claim that you were here first, when this website was created by a leftist and populated by leftists, and you only came over here when reddit being a shithole started to effect you personally.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In other words, you don't have an answer, you're defending shitty pro-Russia astroturfing and propaganda smearing.

Why do the admins tolerate this?

[–] aehnh@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The admins are probably also what you would consider "Russian shills". They explicitly announced they wouldn't ban people with different ideologies which is why you're allowed to spout your western propaganda here

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

🤔 And yet they're federated with ours. Welp, we'll fix that in a hot minute

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh no, please don't isolate yourself further and prevent us and everyone else in the fediverse looking at this instance from being exposed to your opinions, that would really own us.

You'll note how this communist designed open source fediverse structure is less coercive than capitalist reddit while still applying incentives to discourage reactionary behavior. If you entirely isolate yourselves, you've just recreated the structure of reddit.

[–] aehnh@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bud you need to look up the definition of astroturfing.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not the one who believes the paid Russian posters are in the room with us right now, on this niche leftist community that you've graced with your redditor presence.

[–] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago

You joined one month ago

Yogthos' account is 4 years old.

At least this indicates that he is a human with an opinion that he stated on a highly nieche community and not a paid actor that only joins and starts to influence consensus after a community grows.

You on the other hand...

Jk, but think before you misrepresent a community and people as being shills.

For sake of completeness: account dates can be manipulated by the owner of the instance the account is registered on

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Russian economy is set to completely reverse last year’s slump – something Putin has recently highlighted. Manufacturing and construction lead the way, alongside retail. In a broad sense, all three sectors are beneficiaries of the war. The defense sector, working in three shifts, is boosting production: in June, for example, the biggest increases were in finished metal products (+45.8% year-on-year); computers, electronics and optics (+71.6% year-on-year), radar equipment (+75.4% year-on-year) and electrical equipment (+32.1% year-on-year). Production capacities are running at their maximum.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago

something Putin has recently highlighted

so, we now know it gonna do the opposite nice

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So whats the plan? How can this end?

[–] SuspiciousUser@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He can wait to see if Trump becomes president, because we all know how it will end with his BFF in charge.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

Any Republican, really. Just listen to Fox or the Republicans in Congress.

[–] kingthrillgore@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is the long game, because if Trump wins, he can get the US out of NATO and that's a constitutional crisis at home, and a serious flashpoint to drive Europe back into squabbling.

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Not with this supreme court.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America is far from the only country providing support to Ukraine.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but if America decides to provide support to Russia, the rest of NATO will stand down.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

There's a vast difference between America ceasing to support Ukraine and America supporting Russia. Simply never going to happen, that's a loonie scenario.

NATO is not officially supporting Ukraine. It just so happens that all the various NATO member countries are all individually deciding that it's in their interests to support Ukraine. If America drops out that's not going to change whether it's in the interests of those countries to continue supporting Ukraine. Indeed, it becomes all the more important for many of them to make sure Russia's strength is broken if they don't feel they can rely on America to support them.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sort of like the war in Afghanistan. It'll go on for a very long time

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia's committing way more resources into this conflict than they ever did for previous similar operations though. Ukraine is claiming they killed/wounded over 200000 Russian soldiers. That's not anywhere near comparable to previous post WWII conflicts.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

that is, 0.6% of the total number of people who can be drafted into the army.

The current political regime is not particularly concerned about military losses. even if we take into account the 2 million Russians who left, 200,000 people still make up about 1% of the number of conscripts. Even if we assume that half of them will somehow manage to escape from the Ministry of Defense, 15 million people can still be called up into the army.

[–] BitPirate@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can call a lot of people, but the reality is that the Russian army gradually shifts from trained soldiers with tanks and artillery to Igor with a gun.

Their losses will skyrocket the moment they can't provide sufficient counter-battery fire and air defence for their troops anymore.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the Russian army has never been well trained. Almost the entire composition of the army below the officers are forcibly conscripted civilians. the number of contractors is ridiculously small.

the Russian army has never been contracted. And a year of training of a forcibly conscripted person always gives approximately the same result.

UPD: if we lived in the world of starcraft, Russia would undoubtedly be Zerg. In general, the command and tactics are applied accordingly - a swarm of Zerg. I am generally surprised that conscripts are at least given weapons.

when I served in the army on universal conscription for 2.5 years of compulsory conscription many, years ago, I fired from a machine gun about 2 times. This is the average level of training of a Russian soldier.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't really send every man able to hold a gun directly to the front without your economy completely collapsing. Even 1% of your abled men being suddenly dead is very serious in terms of the economy. Plus all the injured coming home from the war now suddenly being a burden rather than a productive asset to your economy.

Definitely not good for either country

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 1 points 1 year ago

Well, that's right. But already now the business is starting to hire women more willingly than men who can conscripted. And just recently, a law was passed that those who could refuse the draft after entering the institute would still serve after the institute. Government introduced new much stricter laws against draft evasion. Look like preparation for the beginning of mobilization.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This number takes into account every men from the age bracket 15 to to 55, according to rosstat numbers. https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Bul_chislen_nasel-pv_01-01-2022.pdf
This assumes a lot given that realistically there is no real way to know how many people are really living there. This is absolutely not the number of people who are eligible to be conscripted.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

By the contract, a person of any age can now be called up until the rifle falls out of his hands. So it's even less than it could theoretically be required. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/28/05/2022/6291e8e79a7947008579486b

In the Russian Federation, the same resolution on conscripts can be issued one day at any time.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

True, technically the Russian government proclaims that everyone who can stand straight for a moment is a potential recruit. But if the previous mogilisation attempts showed us something, that even the most loyal putin's dogs would prefer making war efforts from the comfort of their own homes.
I don't have anything other than gut feelings after extensive reading of telegram channels to base this on, but my personal estimation that they could probably get another half of a million of meatbags or so, but after that the whole shit will just collapse in on itself.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think not. the regime is very slow to advance its interests, and you don't have time to look back, because 7 years have passed, and everyone has served at least a year in a hot spot.

For example. Mobilization has begun. People were outraged. Everyone was shown on TV how Putin promises that they will not demand more. What we really have: no one has canceled the mobilization on paper. Mobilization orders are coming in, only slowly, so as not to cause unrest. Contractors cannot quit after the contract expires, as mobilization and military operations seem to be continuing. For greater security, they began to send out mobilization orders through state websites, so as not to run after those who are runs away from the military commissariat. And if he did not show up, then he is deprived of his driver's license and credit rating. But I don't see any dissatisfaction.

And so it is everywhere.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that's not how you conscript all the people in one go, that's how you slowly suck the life out of your country by methodically killing small amount of people with relentless consistency. You can't use this slow boiling method to conscript hundreds of thousands of people, let alone millions, and the moment you try, the system shits itself.

[–] nitrolife@rekabu.ru 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't mean that 30 million people would go to the front in a single rush. I suspect that at least half of them will hide from the army in all possible ways. Nevertheless, I cannot imagine a situation where slow replenishment of the reserve will not help. If only for months there will be hot battles every day with thousands of dead.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

The plan is to profit from war, and that's the thing, it never ends.

This is one of the things I pointed out in the post on the permanent war. Russia since the beginning dumped into the war old and outdated equipment. They sent to the front those who they considered the less valuable soldiers at the same time initially they avoided to send recruits from the draft to minimise the political backlash within Russia.

Since the beginning they handled it as a long term attrition war.

[–] Omidov@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's great to have a new perspective on this conflict and I personally welcome your work and effort here. Thank you!

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

But I thought that the Slavic brainpan couldn't produce ball bearings?! /s