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Found this question on an Instagram reel as dating advice for girls if they don't know what to talk about and that men have a lot of opinions about this. Let's see if she's right.

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 year ago

But I already am a pirate?

[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Cowboy, no contest.

Samurai's lives belong to their masters. I couldn't live that way.

Pirates live by killing and stealing. I couldn't live that way.

That leaves cowboys. Certainly not the glorious and romantic life Hollywood makes it out to be, but generally honest work toward specific goals and freedom otherwise, which'd be fine.

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pirate! CGP Grey has a great video on how pirate ships worked. They were a lot more democratic and fair than the merchant marine which worked their crew to the bone and paid them peanuts.

How to be a Pirate Quartermaster

[–] skulblaka@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Forgot to mention the part where that democratic society is upheld by the fact that you can (and will, if you're an asshole) be stabbed dead by nearly anyone you interact with. Your own crew, your "customers", the law, rival pirates, all of them have a will and a way of removing you if you don't play fair. This is great for ensuring a fair society, only at the constant imminent risk of death.

Although to be fair I suppose cowboys and samurai were also pretty frequently in deadly dangerous conditions.

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[–] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I would be a samurai. Samurai, while fierce warriors, were also poets and great appreciators of the arts.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have not but I did read Shogun by James Clavelle. It is an epic novel and quite a good read. I should check this one out. I am quite curious about it.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice, thanks for the recommendation!

[–] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's actually a series of books Clavelle wrote. He's really a good author too. The research that he put into writing his historical fiction accounts remain true to the known records of the time. I don't often reread books but I genuinelly enjoy revisiting his series.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Nice, actually I think I heard about it a while back.

[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

There is also a miniseries made in 1980 by the same name, which is very good (in spite of the age).

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Cowboy literally just means rancher. It was not a particularly good job in the wild west and it's only marginally better now.

Samurai were well respected, well paid, and had social status. The downside is that they needed to kill people or die trying when their boss said to, which doesn't sound like fun to me.

Pirates also have the problem of having to do violence on a regular basis, but without the glamour and respect of being Samurai.

All in all, I'd probably choose samurai.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I be Hasekura Tsunenaga, the samurai who went to Mexico? That way I could be a cowboy samurai. Plus I could be a pirate during the journey from Japan to Mexico. βœ“ βœ“ βœ“

So you got to eat your pirate rice cake with beans, and have it too.

[–] Invites0@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Cowboy - Pros: lowest chance of death, honest work for honest pay. Cons: hard work for low pay

Pirate - Does internet piracy count? I get seasick to easily to be the boat kind. Also the death.

Samurai - Maybe an Edo period samurai, when they were mostly bureaucrats.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just throwing this out there, you can literally be a cowboy or a pirate today right now. The only barriers to entry are willingness and the minor physical ability they require. Samurai is unfortunately impossible.

[–] Satiric_Weasel 4 points 1 year ago

That's not what the guy at the store said when he sold me this sword. /s

[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a man and don't have strong opinions about this, so count this as one vote against it.

[–] Lewistrick@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Lol I was thinking the same, neither sounded really appealing to me but it's not like I'd start a fight over it.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

What year for samurai, and what rank? Samurai in 1590 were very different from samurai in 1850; after the warring states period ended, samurai quickly lost everything except their pride. Merchants - nominally the lowest class (burakumin were outside of the class system) - had far more wealth and real power than the samurai in the years preceding the Meiji restoration. A low-ranking samurai around 1820 would be a life of poverty that was still filled with class and social obligations; not cool.

Overall, probably a ranch hand (cowboy was a derogatory term). Yeah, the pay was shit, and it was hard work, but you got to be outside all the time.

[–] SantaClaus@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I would be a pirate. Because the other word for pirate treasure is Booty. (Beastie boys influence, I guess)

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samurai. They were freaking rich, ate good food and married well. They did good deeds and shit and had plenty of time for self reflection and improvment.

[–] Cypher@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Good deeds like maintain the brutal feudalism which stunted Japans growth for centuries

[–] trimmerfrost@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

No thanks. I'm a coward. I just want to sit on my ass all day and browse lemmy

[–] Surface_Detail@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a toss up between cowboy and samurai.

For Samurai it would depend on when. Samurai became defacto nobility, but they began in the 8th century as just mercenaries hired by local nobles to protect their estates.

But a cowboy is a life in the open air on a ranch. Hard work for sure, but hard work doesn't bother me.

[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it would depend on "when" for all three of them.

Get the wrong date for Cowboy and instead of lying next to a campfire, you're nursing your rodeo injuries in your trailer home.

Get the wrong date for Pirate and you'll find yourself cradling a semiautomatic in a speedboat off the coast of Somalia.

[–] Goblin_Mode@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samurai kinda always bangs though.

In the early years of their existence they were just mercenaries, but they had horses (expensive) and were pretty much only hired by nobility (decent accommodations)

By the end they were automatically nobility themselves, even to this day if you were still a "samurai" you'd either be a descendent of a wealthy family or a famous figure for 1 reason or another. Not a bad life

[–] livus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You've convinced me. Samurai for me too.

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I want to be a pirate literally cuz I'm in the middle of watching one piece

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Are there no Pirate Cowboy Samurais?

[–] hsl@wayfarershaven.eu 2 points 1 year ago

Cowboy. It would be hard work but all that time outside, sleeping under the stars, working with my hands.

I'd be bored within a week but the idea is fun!

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to be a samurai. I wanted to be one since I was a kid, and I want to be one even more after having read Hagakure. I even try to live up to a lot of the same ideals Yamamoto Tsunetomo laid out in the book about what it meant to be samurai. It's almost the same idea as medieval chivalry; but more intense and without the religious overtones.

[–] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

pirates supported same-sex marriage, so I’ll go with that πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

[–] Zippity@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

A cowboy. I was born in the western US and spent some of my young life on a cattle ranch. It's hard work and at the end of the day, there's a sense of accomplishment.

Not interested in being a pirate, stealing isn't my thing. I don't like the idea of slicing and dicing people, so samurai wouldn't work for me either.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pirate is definitely out - I don't really care to be surrounded by guys 24/7 on a crowded and dirty ship. Samurai maybe but I'd go with "Cowboy". Has the best chance for a somewhat modern life and many chances to meet women...

[–] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

someone’s got a case of the not-gays...

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I give up my space on the ship for someone who can appreciate the company

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All would actually suck if these are the realistic versions, but Cowboy would suck the least, at least as a violence-averse person (if you're not violence-averse I understand why you'd pick Samurai.)

Movie versions, I'd still go Cowboy. I'd get stir crazy on a boat and I don't like answering to people like Samurai need to.

[–] argv_minus_one 2 points 1 year ago

A pirate. Pirates do what they want 'cause a pirate is free! Or so I've heard.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be would mean now and here? Or the and there (where they existed)?

[–] Lewistrick@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Your choice :)

[–] Mandy 2 points 1 year ago

From what I like the most? Defebatly pirate, cause I could be another pirate Queen and that sounds dope

From whats the least icky one? Samurai after it became a social status and a symbol of nobility with the occasional murdering

[–] sculd 2 points 1 year ago

Samurai gets paid by the fedual lord. Easy choice.

[–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I would 100000% be a samurai because I'm 1000000% a weeb

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

Samurai. I'd like a higher place on the social hierarchy than pirate and cowboy.

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Samurai. Not quite upper-class but a lot better social standing and conditions than the other two.

[–] Scooter411@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

All three - pirate against capitalism, cowboy against society, and samurai because their swords are awesome and they bathe.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

tough choice. all super cool. all equally tough jobs for their own reason. i guess cowboy because i have not been on a boat long enough and have not practuced swordplay as much

[–] loffiz@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Fictionally, a samurai. But for real, I guess cowboy is the most sane option...

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