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[–] emstuff@lemmy.blahaj.zone 257 points 1 year ago (13 children)

honestly we should have collectively realized way earlier that putting all the useful, readable, un-touched-by-SEO help content for basically every niche hobby fandom and ideology in the hands of one for-profit entity was not very wisdom-pilled of us

[–] noodlejetski 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we should have collectively realized way earlier

some people have, but whenever you'd mention it, you'd be met with "lol take the tinfoil hat off", "but we're already using [for-profit platform] why would we move when everyone's here" and "but it's haaaaaaard".

[–] jherazob 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Source: https://xkcd.com/743/

The fact that the alt-text directly mentions Diaspora is more than amusing in this context

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[–] twack@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I agree, but I also have serious concerns about this being the replacement strategy. It could be because of my ignorance of how this all works though. Like many of you, I am new and here because of the reddexodus.

These servers are going to cost money, and for many of them the money will run out. Is there a function to preserve the collective content of an entire server once it goes dark? I know that you can migrate your own account to another server, but what happens to everything Google has indexed at Lemmy.world if the worst happens? Is it all just dead links? What if many of the users do not migrate? Is it just gone?

I am concerned that in the current state we are setting up to burn everything that loses a couple admins or becomes too old to economically host.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 year ago

Before reddit removed them most of this compiled knowledge was in the subreddit wikis. I honestly believe a return to communities with wikis is the long term replacement.

[–] kotton 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was on a mastodon server and the owner decided it was not worth his money to keep running. He did not inform anyone on the server or allow any account backups and all was lost.

[–] dan@upvote.au 16 points 1 year ago

With federated services, I feel like it's somewhat important to get to know the admins of the server you use. You don't have to be best friends, but at least know their name, motivation for running the server, and how it's funded.

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In practice the content is distributed to all the other servers, so people who have been reading it before will still be able to on their own instance, but you're right the indexed domain is gone and so are the results in Google.

But there is one difference, one instance of lemmy only stores a very small fraction of the content. And it's much easier to fuck up one reddit compared to fuck up thousands of lemmy instances simultaneously. So if one instance goes down, the rest of the fediverse is still up and running.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago

I've said it numerous times over the years, the Internet has been centralizing rapidly and it benefits none of us.

In 2005 you'd wander around, going from peoples' personal pages to forums to whatever else people linked. In 2015 half of those websites were dead because everyone got their content on reddit anyway.

[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 37 points 1 year ago

Yes. When everyone enters info on corporate sites, sooner or later they'll decide to monetize it.

Reddit going evil on charges and showing their colours in the AMA has been a wake up.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

we can still easily fall into this trap if there isn't a good way to migrate communities between instances. And even if we could just take /c/technology@beehaw.org and move the whole thing to /c/technology@feddit.de or something, that would still break all the indexers' links

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[–] LunarticBot 15 points 1 year ago

I just can't agree more with you. Like wow this reddit blackout has truthfully opened my eyes to the massive, giant and incredibly amount of useful information that is currently resting on reddit servers.

[–] bdiddy@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

Need some bots to start porting all those posts over to Lemmy lol.

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[–] Plume 125 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Reddit actions are tragic for the web. I can't even tell you how many times I searched something and typed Reddit at the end of the query. Not just because Reddit search SUCKS, but mostly because it's a gold mine of information. Especially for technical stuff.

Your game crash? Reddit. Weird bug on your laptop? Reddit. Looking for a cool app? Reddit. Have a weird question? Reddit.

Reddit saved me countless hours and headache. I felt that yesterday when doing a search about something without even putting Reddit on it, kept bringing up Reddit links. I'd click on it without reading and end up on a locked sub because of the blackout.

It sucks but I hope it's going to continue. But at the same time, I don't see Reddit backing down. And even lf they do? I'm not going back. Because how dare you? Like... screw you for even trying to pull that crap on your users.

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[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Am I the only one that's noticed how reddit has been fucking with web crawlers? They insert newer comments into older posts so the crawlers pick up false results.

A few years back they started injecting a "related posts" box into pages. What that does is multiply the amount of results a crawler will pick up. But all those are false results. There's only one true search result which is the original comment/post. Some times I find myself sifting though the search engine results to find the actual original post. The rest are completely worthless, off topic, reddit posts littering the search index.

I know all this blackout stuff hurts now. I see it as necessary for the platform to lose its status as the "front page of the internet". Reddit turned evil a long time ago. It's long past time it be deposed of.

[–] Griseowulfin 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That explains why the search page quotes a comment that doesn't exist on the post. That always confused me. It's insane how dependent on searching with "reddit" appended on the end of the search term I am. I have qualms as to how this'll bode for search engines if reddit loses interest or goes under.

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[–] yads@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Had this happen today. Was searching for some programming related stuff and top pages are all inaccessible Reddit posts.

[–] lwaxana_katana 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hopefully it will help people realise that a profit motive being attached to everything is actually counterproductive societally.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same. Had some things I needed to look up for my 3D printer and much of the results were inaccessible.

Was a pain.

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[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

About 4 people at work Monday discovered the blackouts and learned the reason from following Google results. I'd say that shows the effectiveness of the protest. That's 4 individuals that I work with personally who wouldn't have known otherwise about the api problem that now do. I can only imagine how many people are in that same boat.

[–] ghost_in_the_code@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 1 year ago

Same. I found it funny though. Showed that if we tried we can cause some chaos

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[–] ryuko@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This also highlights the problem with a lot of communities moving to Discord, which inevitably ends up as repositories for critical information, but can't be indexed by Google. Reddit is still valuable as a problem solving resource, and I hope they fix this API fiasco.

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[–] gabuwu 62 points 1 year ago

People rely far too heavily on reddit for public resources. Here's hoping that changes now.

[–] monkeytennis 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tacking "Reddit" onto search queries almost became a prerequisite. Never imagined I'd have to replace that with "-Reddit".

It's made researching a media centre setup very difficult this week...

[–] MigratingApe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Give it some time, people will get comfortable here, the revolution dust will settle an we will be adding ‘-Reddit “Lemmy”’ to search queries (fingers crossed!)

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[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Before reddit removed them most of this compiled knowledge was in the subreddit wikis. I honestly believe a return to communities with wikis is the long term replacement.

[–] TerryTPlatypus 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, not a bad opinion, when the wikis were done well, they did have some extremely useful information. I wonder if we could do something like that in Lemmy...

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 44 points 1 year ago

Google Search has been sucking for quite a long time.

"site:old.reddit.com" was just a temporary fix

[–] fenfalca@lemmy.one 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This has been deeply frustrating, but since that's the whole point, I support this collective inconvenience.

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[–] BobQuasit 35 points 1 year ago
[–] thejml@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Definitely saw this coming… can’t imagine what will happen if Stack Overflow pulls something similar. All WebDev/DevOps work will halt overnight.

I’ve been trying to put my issues/solutions in a personal blog or wiki, but there’s so much old info out there in sites like Reddit/SO/medium/etc, it’d be a huge loss when it goes away.

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[–] kryostar 30 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, working as intended. It's probably affecting people more than reddit themselves. Hope the content draught continues though.

[–] fennec@feddit.de 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s why I used shreddit to delete all my posts and comments on Reddit. It’s not much, but if everyone does it Reddit will feel the repercussions. They won’t benefit from my content anymore.

[–] monerobull@monero.town 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't want to take away ressources from people who will look into Monero in the future :/

In the past I commented many explanations when people asked for help and I don't want someone to find a thread with a question and deleted comment with a "Thanks!" reply. I guess a script to change all my past comments into something along the lines of "Removed. In case this was a support-related comment, feel free to ask for help on monero.town" could work?

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[–] lastrogue@lemmy.einval.net 25 points 1 year ago

I mean if you do hit this, like I have. You can just use google's webcached view. or sometimes the internet archive.

I found this covers most of my needs: https://cachedview.com/

[–] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I think it's more appropriate to say that internet searches in general had been getting worse over the last several years, but it just so happened to be the case that your answer could likely be found in a reddit thread.

[–] thisjustin 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It is - but you can still access via archive.org and similar resources.

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[–] Surufisu@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

I've definitely felt like my Google searches have been lackluster after a lot of subreddits went dark. from advices to game communities, it sucks to check other forums you have no knowledge of browsing or worse shudders quora

[–] priapus@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm considering switching to Kagi because of this. Its results are impressive.

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[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes me want to go back and edit my posts to f*** /u/spez because I don't want them getting traffic off of my content. But also don't want that entire collection of human data gone if everyone did the same.

Too bad we can't all export and reconstruct our conversations here somehow.

My posts are 99% shitposts anyway, so it doesn't really matter, nothing constructive to mankind.

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[–] amber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just add “forum” to the back of my search

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[–] yankeebobo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until Google bots catch up and drop many of the links back to Reddit.

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[–] Dave_r@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So... How is Lemmy set for SEO?

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[–] kresten@feddit.dk 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are lemmy instances indexed properly as well? Would it be enough to put "lemmy" into the search

[–] sincle354 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The federated nature of instances unfortunately might nerf the SEO because they're from different domains. Google wouldn't value instance_1. com more because the clicks to related_instance_2. com are higher.

[–] syboxez@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd imagine if/when the fediverse becomes popular, search engines will account for this.

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[–] mkwarman 12 points 1 year ago

You can prepend a link with "cache:" to view Google's cached version of the site. This works automatically with the url bar in at least Firefox and Chrome (likely other browsers as well). If your browser doesn't support that you can enter it in the google search bar and the result will be the cached version of the site (if available)

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