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Everything about Lemmy; bugs, gripes, praises, and advocacy.

For discussion about the lemmy.ml instance, go to !meta@lemmy.ml.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by nutomic@lemmy.ml to c/lemmy@lemmy.ml
 

We are happy to see that many of you are exploring Lemmy after Reddit announced changes to its API policy. I maintain this project alongside @dessalines@lemmy.ml.

Lemmy is similar to Reddit in many ways, but there is also a major difference: Its not only a single website, but consists of many different websites which are interconnected through federation. This is achieved with the ActivityPub protocol which is also used by Mastodon. It means that you can sign up on any Lemmy instance to interact with users and communities on other instances. The project website has a list of instances which all have their own rules and administrators. We recommend that you sign up on one of them, to avoid overt centralization on lemmy.ml.

Another difference compared to Reddit is that Lemmy is open source, and not funded by any company. For this reason it relies on volunteer work to make the project better, whether it's programming, design, documentation, translating, reporting issues or others. See the contributing guide to get started. You can also donate to support development.

We also recommend that you read the documentation. It explains how Lemmy works and how to setup your own Lemmy instance. Running an instance gives you full control over the rules and moderation, and prevents us developers from having any influence. Especially large communities that want to use Lemmy should host their own instance, because existing Lemmy instances would easily be overwhelmed by a large number of new users.

Enjoy your time here! If you have any questions, feel free to ask below or in the Matrix chat.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interestingly, Reddit was open-source between 2008-2017. I'm hoping we can kind of re-capture the feeling of old Reddit without botspam, adspam, and more focus on community and improving experience than on "premium features" and monetization.

[–] SandbankElephant@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You mean to say you don't want to spend thousands on avatars?

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[–] Mordiken@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lemmy looks great, I hope it manages to comes out on top on the upcomming battle of the reddit alternatives because due to it's decentralized nature it's pretty much impossible for lemmy to go south like reddit and digg.

[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children)

The biggest issue with this platform for me, as someone who lurks more than posts, is the smaller user base and, consequently, fewer posts and communities. Otherwise, I love the decentralization, open source nature, and general community.

This reddit issue could be what pushes this platform forward. Will be interesting to see.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You should have seen this place a week ago, it was very quiet. With all the new users its its getting a lot more active.

[–] EnglishMobster@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Haha, I was here 3 years ago, before Federation even worked. It was very slow, to say the least. ;)

It's been my first time back since 2020, and it's kind of wild to see it taking off. I'd imagine it'll only grow as the enshittification of Reddit continues.

I am very curious what's going to happen to the larger instances like lemmy.ml and Beehaw.org. Lemmy.ml was struggling to load for me a bit earlier; come July 1st when everyone gets their access cut off I'm very curious how slammed this'll be.

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[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Imo lemmy seems to have more features than Reddit also, like editing post titles, having text alongside an image post, using third party apps (which will stop soon with Reddit) etc. Reddit is very slow to add updates that make sense, but lemmy moves fast and is a great piece of software.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Thanks! We've been feature-crazy for its whole history... but I've kinda learned the hard way that none of that helps adoption. The users are the feature, and its the only reason people don't leave reddit, facebook, etc.

What @nutomic@lemmy.ml is doing with activitypub service interoperability is far more important than almost anything else we work on. Because at least mastodon and other services have an existing userbase that can plug into lemmy.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

A good thing about community-driven non-profit software is the features which get implemented are typically more in-line with what the users want, rather than adding commercial things like more ads and grifting gimmicks.

It is a mix of 'has this! doesn't have that yet' and some rough edges because it is still young (well, 4 years is young compared to reddit's 19 years) and only has a handful of developers, many of them hobbyists. But it's great to see it already growing, and updates are a pleasant surprise rather than a cause for concern.

[–] atomicfurball@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The only problem with lemmy right now is lack of users.

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[–] Sparsin@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let me know how I can help. I brought a lot of traffic to reddit, just to find out reddit admins are more sensitive than the mods that work for free.

I spoke up how poorly their mobile app changed towards modding on mobile, instead of taking the issues at hand they limited my number of subbreddits I could moderate.

I have knowledge in automod if that's a feature here, also I am pretty fast at finding information.

TLDR - fuck reddit here to help.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It sounds like you might be interested to host a new Lemmy instance. Right now the number of instances is still limited, and most of them cover niche topics. So it would definitely be good to have a Lemmy instance that is more mainstream. Hosting an instance requires some technical knowledge, but you can always ask for help in /c/lemmy_support or find someone else to take care of that aspect.

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[–] smallerdemon@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I had heard of Lemmy before the Reddit API debacle, same as I'd heard of Mastadon before the Twitter Elon debacle. Just as the Twitter debacle really pushed me toward using my existing Mastadon account, the Reddit debacle is pushed me toward actually finding a Lemmy server to join and signing up.

I'm 57 (58 next month), so I was in my mid-20s when the Internet of the 90s really started to form. What was crazy was being in college and wandering over to labs on campus that had access to the latest protocol, https, and seeing Mosaic for the first time and kind of fantasizing about that being the future of the internet. ...and it was. But not always for the better or for the benefit of people. By the time I moved to San Francisco (not for dot com myself, but my spouse was in grad school) in 1999 the dot com boom was in full peak force about the crest the edge of the wave and completely bust in a couple of years (and hoo boy did it). The commercialization of the internet was utterly and completely underway during that early 2000s period, but I was still sort of shuffling around telnet based BBSes and still pulling a lot of my files with FTP. GOPHER was long gone by then, though, and usenet was always more of a hardcore user area in my personal circles (mainly due to the the fact of how overwhelming and disorganized it could be to me, which is so incredibly laughable now).

The promise of those early telnet and early web days almost completely disappeared and a lot of those people who saw the internet as a democratizing force either did find a way to make money from it or they just found jobs and turned into Makers during the 2000s. Now it feels like a lot of those Maker folks have started to find ways to come back to the internet in ways that bypass commercialization in order to have methods of having communities that aren't targets for bigots and fascists to intrude on safe spaces that a lot of people felt like they had found initially.

And it DEFINITELY feels like a lot of tech nerdy Millennials and Gen-Z have completely tired of the commercialized internet entirely and are inventing and finding ways to control their own communities. And friends... I fucking love it.

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[–] KelsonV@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This post alone now has as many upvotes as I saw someone on Reddit claim Lemmy had total users.

[–] thepiguy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The number of users must be growing exponentially at this point. Woo.

[–] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd love to see the numbers on that

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[–] anji@lemmy.anji.nl 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is the way. As a bit of a Reddit-addict I hope Lemmy (and perhaps other interoperable projects one day?) will take off. Centralized social media sites appear to be doomed to inevitable self-destruction. Protocols can survive.

Like Mastodon and other ActivityPub applications however, it is the Federated nature which IMO still needs some work. Not being able to easily browse remote communities, posts, scores, comments, etc. from the comfort of my home instance (which will also be the only portal to the federated world visible to mobile applications) is a problem. On Mastodon I often don't see all replies, and likewise on Lemmy I don't see any comments to this post yet.

I hope ActivityPub apps figure out a way to better synchronize remote and local state so users won't keep seeing incomplete/fragmented views of Fedi content.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Someone did create this Lemmy community browser, which searches all known instances for any community. It might be useful to integrate that into lemmy, or at least link to it, in some way, to help people discover communities not on their own instance already.

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[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A very minor thing, but I really like that you can see the downvotes on posts like you used to be able to do on reddit. Is there any vote confuscation like reddit did/does or is it straight up what the votes are?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup... I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers when reddit used to show full and real vote scores. They removed down-vote showing so long ago that a lot of people joined after, and had no idea that existed.

And of course most US-based social media platforms have removed downvotes / dislikes entirely.

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[–] BlazingFlames6073@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Anybody know if we had a spike of new users and activitiy here after reddit's announcement?

I joined lemmy like a week before reddit's announcement after checking it every now and then for months. I didn't see so many comments and upvotes on posts last week.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We definitely did have a spike in registrations here at least. One of the only ways people find out about lemmy is when it gets cross-posted. We could really use more news articles about it tho on open-source / privacy related spaces.

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[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Something I just found out in the Settings page that I wish existed in every social media site: you can turn off scores!

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yup! Hiding scores is absolutely better for our psychology. Constantly checking feedback numbers can be like a drug sometime.

We devs have a responsibility to not go along with all of the addictive UI patterns that silicon valley pays psychology-phds to help them develop. So there are some things we've chosen not to display, like total karma counts on your profile.

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[–] Spidertax@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fingers crossed that the rapid decline of "mainstream" social media, news, forum sites leads to more widespread adoption of the fediverse. The internet used to be so good before we were all under the Boot...

anyway, hi y'all. I'd say I'm happy to be here, but I'm not... I'm just so disheartened at what our internet has become. BUT - I am hopeful. I think we're experiencing growing pains as a society and this is but one side effect of that; I truly believe the future is on our side, here.

either that, or we all return to monke and THAT is how free ourselves of the collective brain rot that is web2.0 and beyond. :)

anyway, cheers to a Good Internet. may it still be possible. <3

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[–] _JB@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)
A long, long time ago
I can still remember how upvotes used to make me smile
And I knew if I just got rollin'
That I could help keep users scrollin'
And maybe there'd be content for a while

But July 1st makes me shiver
With far less content to deliver
Bad news on the frontpage
I can no longer engage

I can't remember if I erupted
When I read apps would be disrupted
But disappointment interrupted
The day that Reddit died

So bye, bye, old Reddit API
Stuck with Huffman through some updates but the updates were shite
And them good ole boys were snortin' gonewild 'n smite
Postin' this'll be the day that it dies
This'll be the day Reddit dies

Did you read the TOS?
And do you have faith in mods success
If users still engage with subs?
Now do you believe in open access?
Can ads save your failing assets?
And could you be less avarice heedless schlubs?

Well, I know that you're in need of clicks
'Cause I see you suckin' Newhouse dicks
You both killed third party apps
Man, I thought that you might give a crap

I was a lonely teenage software dev
With a git repository and a shit to give
But I knew those apps wouldn't live
The day that Reddit died

I started singing bye, bye, old Reddit API
Stuck with Huffman through some updates but the updates were shite
And them good ole boys were snortin' gonewild 'n smite
Postin' this'll be the day that it dies
This'll be the day Reddit dies

Now for ten years we'd moved on from Digg
And greed grows fast for a ventured pig
But that's not how it used to be
When the users came for the cats and memes
From apps made by the community
And content that came from you and me

Oh, and while those cats were growing old
The number crunchers grew too bold 
The communities dismissed
Now everyone is pissed

And while Lemmy federates with Marx
The concept knocks it from the park
It's time to migrate to an ark
The day that Reddit died

So bye, bye, old Reddit API
Stuck with Huffman through some updates but the updates were shite
And them good ole boys were snortin' gonewild 'n smite
Postin' this'll be the day that it dies
This'll be the day Reddit dies
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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

I'm 51 and started using the internet before HTML was a thing. This feels polished but also old school in a usenet / mud / telnet kind of way.

I'm liking it a lot.

[–] nullthegrey@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I've had my account only for about 30 minutes and I can see this fully replacing reddit for me. Here's to the future!

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Lemmy is fun!

slides £20 over to the reddit enhancement suite team to come over

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[–] jeta@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Just created an account because Reddit official app is a big no no for me. I really liked Infinity, and since I never use Reddit on my desktop, this is the only way for me to browse it without getting mad. I'm really interested to see where it all goes

[–] RolandTheJabberwocky@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Pleasure to be here, honestly will probably keep using this too even if they backpedal the third party apps.

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[–] audricd@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Good to see this place. Hope to see it grow.

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Happy to give Lemmy a try! I had a bit of an adventure setting up my instance, but I think I've got it all working now :) Hopefully I'm now "here" to others on the Fediverse!

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You're posting from zueslink, to a community on lemmy.ml and I'm replying from blahaj.zone. You're federating :)

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I joined because of the reddit changes. I'm not going to PAY for a service that should be free, especially when you consider that they're already making a bucket load from users as it is. I foresee reddit dying very soon. No one is going to pay for an API. Well not many, anyways.

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[–] Barbarian@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hi all! Happy to be here. Been thinking about moving to an open source federated reddit-like for a while now, and the imminent death of RiF is what finally pushed me to sign up. Spent the last hour or so poking around different communities, and like what I see.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

Glad to have you!

Federation is really our best hope to beat these US tech giants. People making instances and connecting with each other, and cultivating communities here and on other instances.

At some point I think the fediverse / lemmyverse will reach a critical mass where there's enough good content, that people won't feel the need to open up reddit at all.

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[–] seirim@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hi, newbie here :-) How do we see all the posts on a topic like technology, but not just on Lemmy.ml where I happened to join, but from all over the "fediverse"? Could there be big discussions going on on other servers I'd just miss? How to get the complete bird's eye view on a topic across all of Lemmy?

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Question for everyone, where is lemmy getting linked from? (besides me in that apollo thread yesterday)

[–] Imaginecat22@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I found it in the big AskReddit thread. Someone made a list of alternatives and this was at the top. It also seemed like the one least likely to have the problems reddit has (and had).

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[–] anityatva@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hi everyone, I heard about the legendary digg exodus many times (I joined reddit in 2013). I have to say it's strange to be a part of this one.

Are there any good iOS clients for lemmy? I found https://github.com/uuttff8/Remmel but it looks like it hasn't been updated in a while, and it's also not available on most of the app stores.

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[–] davidgro@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I just wasted a ton of time trying to create an account here and it not working before realizing that I already made one nearly 3 years ago. Fun times. At least I'm here now. I'm also really scared/frustrated with the direction Reddit is going.

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[–] AccurateGoose@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Twitter makes a series of bad and user-unfriendly decisions, causing many of it's users to flee to Mastodon. Now Reddit makes a series of bad and user-unfriendly decisions, causing many of it's users to flee to Lemmy. When will the big suits learn?

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[–] NeonBlue@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Someone point me to the nsfw instance that allows porn. I just don't see lemmy being a viable alternative to reddit at this point.

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[–] div@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

if we can get more reddit users to try this, people would make the switch.

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