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Rather than communities being hosted by an instance, they should function like hashtags, where each instance hosts posts to that community that originate from their instance, and users viewing the community see the aggregate of all of these. Let me explain.

Currently, communities are created and hosted on a single instance, and are moderated by moderators on that instance. This is generally fine, but it has some undesirable effects:

• Multiple communities exist for the same topics on different instances, which results in fractured discussions and duplicated posts (as people cross-post the same content to each of them).
• One moderation team is responsible for all content on that community, meaning that if the moderation team is biased, they can effectively stifle discussion about certain topics.
• If an instance goes down, even temporarily, all of its communities go down with it.
• Larger instances tend to edge out similar communities on other instances, which just results in slow consolidation into e.g. lemmy.ml and lemmy.world. This, in turn, puts more strain on their servers and can have performance impact.

I'm proposing a new way of handling this:

• Rather than visiting a specific community, e.g. worldnews@lemmy.world, you could simply visit the community name, like a hashtag. This is, functionally, the same as visiting that community on your own local instance: [yourinstance]/c/worldnews
  • You'd see posts from all instances (that your instance is aware of), from their individual /worldnews communities, in a single feed.
  • If you create a new post, it would originate from your instance (which effectively would create that community on your instance, if it didn't previously exist).
  • Other users on other instances would, similarly, see your post in their feed for that "meta community".
• Moderation is handled by each instance's version of that community separately.
  • An instance's moderators have full moderation rights over all posts, but those moderator actions only apply to that instance's view of the community.
    • If a post that was posted on lemmy.ml is deleted by a moderator on e.g. lemmy.world, a user viewing the community from lemmy.ml could still see it (unless their moderators had also deleted the post).
    • If a post is deleted by moderators on the instance it was created on, it is effectively deleted for everyone, regardless of instance.
    • This applies to all moderator actions. Banning a user from a community stops them from posting to that instance's version of the community, and stops their posts from showing up to users viewing the community through that instance.
    • Instances with different worldviews and posting guidelines can co-exist; moderators can curate the view that appears to users on their instance. A user who disagreed with moderator actions could view the community via a different instance instead.
• Users could still visit the community through another instance, as we do now - in this case, [yourinstance]/c/worldnews@lemmy.world, for example.
  • In this case, you'd see lemmy.world's "view" of the community, including all of their moderator actions.

The benefit is that communities become decentralized, which is more in line with (my understanding of) the purpose of the fediverse. It stops an instance from becoming large enough to direct discussion on a topic, stops community fragmentation due to multiple versions of the community existing across multiple instances, and makes it easier for smaller communities to pop up (since discoverability is easier - you don't have to know where a community is hosted, you just need to know the community name, or be able to reasonably guess it. You don't need to know that a community for e.g. linux exists or where it is, you just need to visit [yourinstance]/c/linux and you'll see posts.

If an instance wanted to have their own personal version of a community, they could either use a different tag (e.g. world_news instead of worldnews), or, one could choose to view only local posts.

Go ahead, tear me apart and tell me why this is a terrible idea.

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For admins and moderators, keeping the comment counts including bot comments visible (especially in a moderators' own communities) may be valuable, but not sure if it's all that valuable for ordinary users.

Would it be possible to make it so bot comments don't add to the counts for regular users, or at least for those that have disabled the display of bot posts/comments? As-is seeing an indication of a comment for a post only for it to turn out to be a bot is slightly disappointing at best, and mildly confusing at worst when their display has been disabled.

It's a great feature while browsing All/Subscribed/Local, but some people (including me) seem to think this can be confusing/annoying while browsing a specific community directly.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2104

Any thoughts on this?

We're testing some beta's for the upcoming release, and it had some performance issues, so I had to downgrade and restore from a backup.

We do this testing here so other instances don't have to, and so we can find any bugs before a release. Again, this is my bad, I apologize.

I've got 500+ posts and don't wanna sift through em. Is there a way for me to search for keywords in my profile only. Or filter communities?

On android.

This should be a pretty basic feature, just not having a private message be there anymore. But for some reason that does not work here?

I tried searching for this. I found a year old open issue on GitHub and some reddit users complaining about this very issue.

Talking with some people in the comments here, it seems like some people don't understand that one might not want a message to be in their face. Or the idea that just because something could be recovered doesn't mean we should treat it as an absolute

Probably a hot take for everybody who just wants a drop-in replacement for Reddit, but I think a new platform needs to take the opportunity to improve over what's gone before.

So what I'm proposing is a more granular approach to curating one's feed on an individual user level, much like both Mastodon and apps for that platform offer (I'm going to use Tusky as an example because I've used that for a while and know its features fairly well).

Imagine a filter list where you could block specific terms, source URLs or other. No more irrelevant mentions of whatever annoys the hell out of you when you open /all. Along with your individual block list, limited as that is, it would help you as a user to home in on what matters to you.

Might this create filter bubbles? Yes, but if it's implemented on a per user level it won't affect other users' feeds. The "bubble" is a one-person act. In my experience /all on both Reddit and Lemmy suffers from people trying to curate it to their personal liking with downvotes, which just creates a monoculture.

Personally, I think free text filters would help solve that problem, and might aid users in engaging with their preferred communities. Suggestions, ideas?

So you could subscribe communities to hashtags and have it displays toots and pictures from that hashtag in the Lemmy UI

I looked around and struggled to find out what it does?

My guess would be that it notifies you of when new posts are made to communities you subscribe to. But that sounds like a lot, so I'm really not sure.

Otherwise, is it me or does the wording here not speak for itself?

Generally, the lens I've come to criticise any/all fediverse projects is how well they foster community building. One reason why I like and "advocate" for the lemmy/threadiverse side of things is precisely because of this and how the centrality of the community/sub/group is a good way of organising social media (IMO).

Also, because of that, I recently came to be skeptical of the effects that the "All" feed can have. I didn't even realise that people relied mostly on the All feed until recently.

I think I've reached the point now of being against it (at least tentatively). I know, it's a staple and there's no way it's going away. And I know it's useful.

But thinking about the feature set, through the community building lens, I think it'd be fair to say that things are out of balance: they don't promote community building enough while also providing the All feed which dissolves community building.

Not really a criticism of the developers ... AFAIU, the All feed is easier to implement than any other community building feature ... and it's expected from reddit (though it isn't normal on forums AFAICT, which is maybe worth considering for anyone happy to reassess what about reddit is retained and what isn't).

But still, I can imagine a platform that is more focused on communities:

• Community explorer tool built in.
  • Could even be a substitute for an All feed ... where you can browse through various communities you don't know about and see what they've posted recently
• Multi-communities (long time coming by now for many I'd say)
  • Could even be part of the community explorer tool where you can create on-the-fly multi-communities to see their posts in a temporary feed
• Private and local only communities (already here on lemmy and coming for private communities)
• Post visibility options for Public communities (IE, posts that opt-in private)
• More flexible notifications for various things/events that happen within a community
• Wikis
• Chat interface
  • I'm thinking this is pretty viable given that Lemmy used to use a web-socket auto-updating design ... add that to the flat chat view and you've got a chat room. There are resource issues, so limiting them to one per community or 6hrs per week per community or something would probably be necessary.

A possibly interesting and frustrating aspect of all of these suggestions/ideas above is I can see their federation being problematic or difficult ... which raises the issue of whether there's serious tension between platform design and protocol capabilities.

I guess I'm not the only one that happens to this, I follow communities with the same theme in different instances, it's not unusual then to see the same link sent by the same person in both, not a crosspost, the same link sent separately. ¿Is there any, let's say, correct protocol on how to interact with this? You know, do I vote for both? One positive and the other I ignore? What if I want to comment? Do I make the same comment on both?

instead of

image: postgres:16-alpine

use

image: pgautoupgrade/pgautoupgrade:16-alpine

Then all the upgrade instructions of backup->update->import backups go away and all you need to do is restart the docker container. (still keep backups though!)

Reference: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4892/files

Since that pull request was merged, this will simplify future updates like 0.19.6 or 0.20.0

If you are using https://github.com/wereii/lemmy-thumbnail-cleaner please stop and disable it as soon as possible.

We have found a security issue that allows any user to make LTC delete any locally hosted image.

I will be posting more details soon and editing this to include the information.

E: More information here https://github.com/wereii/lemmy-thumbnail-cleaner/issues/10

EDIT: Looked a little deeper/better on GitHub and found this issue, #4865 which is likely the most related issue, and it seems the devs are aware.

It also seems to be a recent v19.5 -ish issue too from some of the comments there

I seem to be encountering what may be a bug with pinning/featuring posts ... interested if anyone's got similar/counter experiences

The issue is that the pinning of a post doesn't get federated correctly.

The conditions, AFAICT are:

• Post originates from a "federated instance" (IE, an instance other than the community's home instance)
• The mod action of pinning is also done by a moderator on a "federated instance"
• Lemmy versions 19.4 or greater (much more tentative, but from a brief perusal, it seems true)

The effect seems to be:

• The pinning works fine on the "home instance" of the community
• But federation breaks in two slightly different ways:
  • No pinning occurs
  • If a mod on a "federated instance" tries to pin, after an initially failed federation of "pinning", it will succeed on the federated instance only temporarily

The last dynamic is hopefully a clue to what could be happening (sounds like some queued tasks colliding in an incorrect way)

I input my password.

It refuses to log me in. Says 'Passwords must be between 10 and 60 characters'

I delete the last few characters. Now it lets me log in.

no bueno

So yesterday I was posting up a storm, posts that would've gone down as the best posts of all time! But randomly my home instance reset and the posts and replies I made in the ten minutes before, all got orphaned. They're still there, but replies to them don't get sent to me. Anyway, it's one of those edge cases that no one would likely ever face again, but thought I'd share.

Reposted from: https://lemmings.world/post/10530999

Please what are the easiest and fastest steps in order to find backup of a currently unavailable post thanks to no longer running Lemmy instance?

Lets say it is this post we are reading, that become offline. I am not asking for the links to instances that hosts it, but for the way on how to discover all the instances myself.

So far I have found only this way:

1. open largest instances list: https://lemmyverse.net/?order=posts&open=true
2. open one after another and under magnifier button, search for the same post ID (number) as your dead link has

What is Lemmy?

Lemmy is a self-hosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. It is completely free and open, and not controlled by any company. This means that there is no advertising, tracking, or secret algorithms. Content is organized into communities, so it is easy to subscribe to topics that you are interested in, and ignore others. Voting is used to bring the most interesting items to the top.

Changes

This is a smaller bugfix release, with the following changes:

Lemmy

• Don't change encoding style in clean_url_params.
• Fix for federation last_successful_id.
• Fixing featured_local trigger.
• Fix postres TLS connection.

Lemmy-UI

• Fix for fetch page title.
• Fix create post focus resets.
• Make media uploads viewable only on your own profile.
• Fixing an auto-download bug.
• Regenerating lemmy-ui themes.

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This seems to be the case from what I've seen and from a quick check just now.

Is this intentionally so? Is it likely to remain so?

Not that I have any problems with it. I'm just thinking about trying to run a poll through lemmy's current features (where native polls are in the roadmap anyway). And I figure, for simple polls, a bunch of comments for each option in a locked thread where people can only up vote would roughly do the trick (except that a voter would know the results ahead of time).

Is it possible to make upvotes/downvotes on my own posts (and comments on my posts) visible, while making everyone else's invisible on the Lemmy website? I like making upvotes & downvotes invisible, because it makes it harder for me to be biased on what I upvote or downvote, based on the amount of upvotes/downvotes posts/comments already have from others. But on the other hand, I would still like to see how many upvotes & downvotes my own posts have, and how many upvotes & downvotes the comments below my post have. Thanks.

something that didn't get mentioned in the announcement but I think is nice, the Chat view has been fixed!

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1639#issuecomment-2172090390

I believe it was fixed here https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2480

it even allows sorting in either direction, you can do Chat view with New or Old sort!

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