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The most toxic communities I know of are the Genshin community, Payday 2, FFXIV and source games communities in general.

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[–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 88 points 1 year ago (8 children)
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

100%. I stopped playing a decade ago, but when I played I was always amazed at the behaviour it brought out in people. I would watch people who I considered friends IRL turn into abusive jerks when I played with them. It's this weird prisoner's dillemma of a game where the psychology of the game appears to encourage ganging up on the weakest player.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

That's what happens if you design a game in a way that makes it worse to have a bad player in your team than no player at all.

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[–] Stillhart@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

League was the poster child for toxic communities a decade or so ago when I played. It must have gotten better (it certainly couldn't have gotten worse!) if this isn't the top comment by a mile.

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reporting players for in-game behaviour rarely did anything.

And there was no reporting mechanism at all if they decided to continue harassing you through DMs after the game was over - all you could do was block them.

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[–] shakesbeare 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Man FFXIV is no ray of sunshine but I can’t imagine it’s anyway near as bad as literally any competitive game. I’ve never been called a slur in FFXIV before and it feels like it happens once a session for things like Dota, LoL, Overwatch, Siege, etc.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I kind of disagree with FFXIV. My whole experience there last year was entirely pleasant.

[–] skulblaka@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Second this, you'll get a couple sweatlords every now and then especially if you're running end game content but the first 100 or more hours of gameplay are absolutely pleasant. I only interacted with the reddit group outside of game but those guys were also nice.

[–] resurrexia@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Basically just don’t prog endgame content on pf and you avoid most issues. And don’t crash an ERP den and be shocked to see whatever goes on in there.

[–] lina 6 points 1 year ago

I've played with some rude individuals on FFXIV, like those annoyed that new players haven't memorised low-level dungeons and are unable to speedrun them. By and large I'd agree, though. I joined after playing SWTOR for years and could immediately tell the difference.

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[–] ascagnel 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Rainbow Six Siege is up there — there’s six dimensions of assholery in the game by my count.

  • Tom Clancy games tend to attract right-wing assholes because they’re Tom Clancy
  • competitive FPS
  • one-shot one-kill gameplay
  • friendly fire on by default
  • character picks
  • you need to play to a specific meta
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[–] bezier-curve@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Easily Rocket League. It's always been toxic but it's been much worse since becoming free to play.

  • Rage quitting
  • Malicious compliance (AFK, accidental own-goals)
  • Team mates playing for the opposing team entire games
  • Passive aggressive quick chats
  • Overtly aggressive free-form chats (being chastised over every tiny mistake)

The game's competitive ranking systems makes it so each win and loss matters, and people often take their vitriol out on their own team before looking inwards.

[–] mifan@feddit.dk 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I turned the chat off a long time ago. Instantly made the game better. I don’t need a kid to show off his NSFW vocabulary.

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[–] ReepusVanguard@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im just going to say FFXIV in my experience has a very friendly community, one of the nicest ive seen, so i dont fully understand where that comes from.

For me it would probably be Garry's Mod, as its full of so many edgy teens who constantly say the n word.

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[–] Montagge@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anything FromSoftware really. Any question is answered with a variation of "git gud". Not to mention the elitism.

[–] Gork 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only appropriate response to that is

git: 'gud' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
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“I think DS is pretty ok”

“Git gud dude! DS is amazing!”

[–] Eavolution@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tbh I've always found the community to be very helpful when I've needed a hand with anything

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[–] Addfwyn@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Most MOBAs are pretty notoriously bad, though Heroes of Newerth was definitely the worst one of those i had played.

Anecdotally, my personal worst experience was with FFXIV, which was probably exacerbated by how much praise that community gets otherwise. The Novice Network system they have is a mess, new players are put into a channel with a bunch of "mentors" that don't really want to help anyone, at least on the server I was on. They either wanted a global chat channel for their own use, or just wanted the cosmetic rewards mentors had on offer. I remember one actively trying to get new players to quit if he found out they had come from WoW. The channel is entirely self-moderated, and mentors would kick people out just for fun. It's an AWFUL first impression for newer players.

One thing WoW definitely does better with their Guide channel is giving literally no tangible rewards to guides, if somebody is opting into being a Guide it is only because they want to help new players, they get nothing else for it.

[–] TheMightyBlu@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As a FFXIV player, your experience or understanding of the game sounds like an outlier... I've played for 2+ years, it's the most positive, welcoming and lively community I've ever come across!

[–] batcheck 8 points 1 year ago

Totally agree. I’ve been in some dailies where we keep wiping over and over due to new player and usually everyone is super understanding and gives pointers and help. I’ve rarely had a toxic pug in FFXIV. One one of the reasons each expansion brings me back.

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[–] Blxter@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)
[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Told someone I played rust and they asked if I was racist or suicidal because those are apparently the qualifiers.

It really does bring the worst out of humanity, but at the same time I've met and known people for years who were my neighbors or even rivals

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[–] ghostwolf@lemmy.fakeplastictrees.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] moon_matter@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Genshin community,

I get that communities for popular games can be a bit hit or miss, but communities for single player games are pretty chill. Competitive team games like the Source games you mentioned, League of Legends etc. are on a whole different level of toxic. They can't even be compared.

For something like Genshin the real problem is content creators. Much of the so called toxicity has little to nothing to do with the game itself and is more an issue with huge cults of personality clashing with each other. I think every popular game is going to fall victim to this going forward and you just have to learn to ignore it.

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[–] Mandy 11 points 1 year ago

Bro what did ff 14 do to you? who pissed in your chereos there? starcraft the elitism, the rage there is nothing that will ever come close to the levels of salt that that community produced

[–] Pegatron@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can tell no one here has played Mordhau lol. It's basically wall to wall neo Nazis spamming racial slurs. I got regular death threats, like almost every match. Destiny? Little league bullshit.

[–] Katzastrophe@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Dead by Daylight, leaving the community and game single-handedly cured my depression

[–] gogosempai@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

CS:Go has some pretty unwelcoming and newbie-haters out there.

I got kicked out of casual for not being good enough. CASUAL.

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[–] pixel 9 points 1 year ago

Tbh the genshin community isn't necessarily toxic, genshin is so large that it's genuinely difficult to pin down an entire genshin community. There's the twitter genshin community, the tiktok community, different content creator's communities, etc. It's not a monolith just because the game is so gargantuan. The social media communities tend to be horrible but like, i watch a small genshin tiktok-er and theorycrafter and his discord and related communities around that have been genuinely lovely and actively elevated my experience with the game. I think it's important to look at how, past a certain point, specific communities dont really exist? and that's not just a genshin thing that goes for anything, different communities sort of splinter off and it's hard to hold the whole thing to task ig

In any case, FFXIV is a weird pull because in my time playing GW2 I have many friends that have gone to ffxiv and come over to guild wars from it and almost always I hear nothing but good things about the broader community. It might have a bit of a toxic positivity vibe to it at times but I think the broader community seems to be pretty good? But uh. Valorant's gotten pretty bad. I love the game and the people I've met through my time with the game, and the community was quite good around the beta but it's just at a point where it's just. fueled by ego and weird horny tiktokers, it's not a great time lol

[–] flying_monkies@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Eve Online where, as long as you're not telling your victim to use real world money to buy things before you scam them, anything goes.

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[–] bear@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Heroes of Newerth was the most toxic community I've ever been apart of. Nothing comes even close. It was rotten from top to bottom and made me quit a game I otherwise loved to play. I'm talking "The CEO frequently calls people slurs in all chat" level of bad.

[–] spencer 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically not my own experience, but my partner plays Dead By Daylight and the community there seems absolutely terrible. I ask them why they play it at this point and they don't even know.

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[–] pacoboyd@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What I think is weird about folks hatin on the Genshin Community is it's essentially a single player game. There is no community really outside of social media. I would say social media is the problem.

[–] kehtea@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This! I've always had super friendly interactions with Genshin co-op, even when searching through the co-op tab rather than looking online (aside from one kid I had to kick because I was not going to buy them a welkin lol). The only time I've come across problematic behavior is through social media. It's also very popular so of course on twitter and reddit there is going to be a large loud volume of immature people, but that's most games. In game people are usually good.

[–] pixel 5 points 1 year ago

even around the game people are good provided you aren't broadly exposed to it via tiktok/twitter/reddit/twitch. Some of the smaller genshin discords have been really helpful and sweet and full of good people. But honestly I think there's just a critical mass where communities like that kinda blow up so that's not a genshin problem so much as that's a "so many people in one place at one time" kind of problem lol

[–] Pegatron@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It tells me they are used to cuddly friendly fandoms. They've definitely never played real toxic games like Mordhau or anything Paradox has made. There are games that are legit >50% neonazis and avowed racists.

[–] deltasalmon@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm surprised to see FFXIV in the OP because I've had the opposite experience. But to stay on point, Pokémon has one of the most toxic communities I know of. It's nearly impossible to say anything semi positive about a game without getting a barrage of hate

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[–] Sami@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

CSGO can be pretty toxic but I'm glad I don't have other reference points to compare it to tbh.

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[–] sparklecherry@geddit.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Back in the day, Undertale. Many made YouTubers and livestreamers have less fun by spoiling the pacifist, genocide and neutral routes and letting everyone only go the pacifist way. If they didn't then the fans would get all angry. Outside of playing the videogame was also another can of worms.

Don't know if Deltarune, also made by the creator, has the same problem since I've only ever played the game myself and never seeked out the community.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

just throwin in another anecdote that XIV has had one of the best game communities I've experienced, even when the game gets pretty stressful in endgame content.

[–] bermuda 7 points 1 year ago

It's pretty broad but I have met some truly awful human beings playing Minecraft. the "community" as a whole is... fine? for a game community, but the individual pockets you find can be truly horrifying. Hell, even in so-called "friendly" communities you can meet some pretty terrible people. People treat their servers like little fiefdoms, and all the toxicity with a fiefdom comes with that.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 6 points 1 year ago

Pokemon. If you like pokemon, then it is your fault that pokemon sucks now. Even if you agree with them that it sucks, if you don't agree with them exactly what sucks about it and how we got to the point that it sucks, which games started sucking, then you're a fucking moron and should be banned from the community.

I know most fandoms hate the media that they are allegedly fans of, but I haven't seen a community hate the media (and each other) as much as pokemon fans.

[–] gk99 6 points 1 year ago

Call of Duty

R6 Siege

Halo

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Halo. There is nothing 343 could have done to appease them.

[–] Megaman_EXE 5 points 1 year ago

I have only been around the reddit halo community (maybe others are worse) and to be honest I don't think it was that bad. A lot of the complaints were/are valid. For sure not the worst

[–] Thurgo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

OSRS high level PvM or deep wild pking.

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