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[–] foreverandaday@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 years ago (3 children)

capitalism can't solve climate change :(

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago

You can have industrialized production and consumerism without capitalism. Not that I'm defending capitalism, I just think our problem is deeper than what you make it, and human nature combined with unchecked technological ability to remodel out planet would yield the same outcome, no matter the dominant flavor of our economical structure.

[–] krzschlss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

a quick fix: Capitalism -doesn't want to- solve the climate change :(

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not a full solution, but I'd love to see more use of compostable single-use plastics coupled with municipal biochar facilities.

It's an excellent cycle that harnesses capitalism and materialism. People buy single use plastics, then throw them away. Municipal garbage (a utility company paid for by ratepayers), picks it up, and brings it to a biochar facility. The facility pyrolizes it, making syngas (which they burn for energy which is then purchased by consumers) and biochar, which is sold as a soil amendment and happens to be carbon-negative. Excess biochar can be buried.

It's a typical capitalist create-consume economy except it's carbon-negative (when paired with decarbonized transportation like electric trains and delivery vans, and hydrogen powered garbage trucks). The more you consume, the more carbon you actually suck out of the air.

There's a few proposed loops like this which instead of fighting consumerism actually harness it to make carbon negative actions. Another one that I'm very interested in is making HVAC filters that also passively absorb carbon from the atmosphere. With electric heat pumps we already have an HVAC technology that is minimally emitting. Pair that with carbon negative filters and you're golden.

Or concrete using injected co2. It's a real thing that exists, it just doesn't have price parity with traditional carbon-intensive concrete. Imagine if just by building a building you could be carbon negative.

Again, it's not a total solution but I wish I could see more use cases like this instead of the "consume less" narrative. People are not going to consume less, that's not how people work. The only way to get people to consume less is by raising prices (which is a necessary part of the solution of course).

[–] Eheran@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Why do you think pyrolyzing random plastic waste generates biochar?

It would also never be carbon negative, since it is from oil. Best case is neutral, but some carbon is burned off in the process.

Same for concrete, it is not suddenly carbon negative.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 years ago

Oh, the capitalists didn't do what their public relations exercises pretended they were going to do? Golly gee... no one could have seen that coming at all.

[–] darkknight@discuss.online 40 points 2 years ago

Fuck oil companies

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The only thing big corporations care about is next quarter’s profits. The world can quite literally burn next year if they get their big profits this quarter.

[–] alcasa@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

And if the world burns, they sure won't be the ones suffering the worst

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 2 years ago

What good is money if it's all on fire?

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

No govt will hold them accountable, so energy firms can walk forwards/ backwards/ play hopscotch on their pledges and it'll be ignored.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Relying on businesses to self regulate doesn't work?

I am shocked! Shocked!

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

Well golly gee, they're breaking promises they never intended to keep?

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[–] krzschlss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait! Some of you really believed in and trusted your politician’s and your corporation’s PR ad campaigns? LOL I remember few years ago, when everybody on Reddit posted pictures of themselves cleaning beaches and streets and stuff, all proud of how they made some kind of difference. KEKW

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hahaha action is futile, do nothing but consume

[–] krzschlss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well.. I hate to break it to you, but it seems we’re left without any alternative. I alone can’t do shit about it. Groups of people have tried, and we do see the results. In last few years I’ve seen people making fun of the one Swedish girl that also tried… I’m not saying we should give up, but I think our politicians and corporations and governments are rather preparing for a war (you need a lot o oil for it), and I see far more people and celebrities on Internet and the news cheering for this war then fighting for their own future. Idk I’m no expert…

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
  • stop trying to fix the climate
  • war with Ruzzia is bad

Shill probability: 86%

[–] krzschlss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I’m not trying to fix the climate. I’m unable to do so. War with anyone is good? (Btw. learn to spell Russia) I’m shilling for peace 100%

[–] hellomiakoda@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago