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Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".

A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.


Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source


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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Two things.

One, I would get a gun and find a trustworthy community if I were a leftist or minority American.

As much as I despise guns, if shit gets Gilead bad, you'll probably be happy to have it.

As for community, if you don't have one yet, I would recommend joining either a socialist club or a progressive/traditional (i.e. not racist) Christian church. A black church (think MLK), or a pride flag flying liberal Church (think John Brown).

When Nazi's invaded my country, these were the two communities that actually resisted, by fighting back and helping people hide and escape. In times of slavery, socialism wasn't yet a thing, so the abolitionists and underground railroad people were progressive Christians. Jesus was the OG socialist and these communities live it.

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Totally agree, and fucking thank you for the shout out about progressive Christians! Underground railroad, temperance movement, anti-war protests, civil rights, etc, progressive Christians have always been a driving force for good and that has totally gotten overshadowed by the evil of white evangelicals in recent years

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

These numbers are bullshit.

Who in their right mind actually believes Americans prefer gun control to: abortion care, legal weed, gay marriage, higher minimum wage, and home ownership.

Like regardless of what you or I want for America, that's an actual load of shit. Too many people love their guns, there's literally more guns than people here.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Too many people love their guns, there's literally more guns than people here.

Loving their guns and wanting better gun control laws aren't two opposite things you know. They can easily go hand in hand. See Canada to the north. Lots of guns, and better gun control laws.

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[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I’m sad that trans rights aren’t on the list there, not surprised with how awful things are but still sad

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The only thing with majority support is a narrow majority thinking trans people should be allowed to be discriminated against overtly in jobs and public spaces (but those people also generally don't think forcing a women to use the men's restroom is discrimination). Few people will say they oppose protections against discrimination, but "neutrality" is just a polite way of supporting discrimination...

[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah it’s really sad how the world has almost turned fully against my people. Give it a few more months (at most) and the Democrats will have almost fully turned on my people. This country is a shithole and I hate it

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ignore systemglitch, their comment history reveals clearly how pro-fascist they are. Which means they don't matter.

Edit: lol be mad fascist. Every time you comment on someone being trans, on immigration, sanctuary cities, etc, you show exactly the piece of shit you are. We can all tell.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 17 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

it's wild that only 55% of you guys want a fairer health care system

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It’s because the phrase “Medicare for all” has been propagandized. If you instead asked if people wanted “affordable medical treatment and preventative care for themselves and others”, I’m sure that number would be much higher.

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[–] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree with almost all of these but some of these numbers were definitely pulled out of someone’s ass

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Especially the one about same sex marriage!

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

90% of the US don't want more gun control laws. As a percentage that would be saying that every state in the US except Texas wants more gun laws ... it's not right.

I consider myself liberal, but would never support taking away someone's rights. Own all the guns and even a fucking tank if you want ... but you will go to jail if you harm someone with them.

We were given the right to have firearms for the exact situation that is happening now.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

but you will go to jail if you harm someone with them.

So after the suicidal maniac goes on a killing spree at the local elementary school and wipes out a chunk of the next generation, then you send them to jail (and take their guns away? You didn't clarify that part)

Guns are a hobby. They should be a privilege you earn, and one you have to work to keep (don't get in trouble with the law, keep your registration up to date, etc).

The solution to our current situation isn't to go out and kill people, it's to fight legal battles and go out and vote when the time comes. A civil war doesn't guarantee we'll end up with the country you want even if the MAGA army is crushed. It's going to cause immense death and destruction, and it will open us up to attack from our adversaries. It will almost certainly ruin your life, mine, and everyone you know and love.

But even IF a real civil war is inevitable, getting guns and fighting won't be a challenge. Trump has very few allies in the rest of the world, but democracy does. NATO would not just sit and watch while a nuclear power goes through such a destabilizing event, especially when Trump's ties to Putin are so well known.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your statement is false. Guns are NOT a privilege in the US. They are a constitutional right. Full stop. I didn't even read the rest of your post

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Your statement is false. Guns are NOT a privilege in the US. They are a constitutional right. Full stop. I didn’t even read the rest of your post

lmao, I think you should go make an appointment with an ophthalmologist before you try to finish reading my post.

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The 2 biggest demographics of growing gun owners are women of color and trans people.

The idea that we should disarm the working class to further concentrate weapons in the hands of militarized forces who are known for abusing their power with impunity is just moronic.

I think the 50501 movement is more tepid centrist neo liberalism and thats the last thing we need here. We need real leftism. You dint fight the far rught with the right leaning center you fight it with leftism. And karl marx one of the fathers of modern leftist thinking said it best/“ any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated by force if necessary” the government acting like a nanny state and prohibiting things deemed dangerous by those at the top is never effective. Drugs and alcohol prohibition onky made things worse except for those profiting from exploiting prohibition

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, Dems need to give up on gun control. My wife and I are lifeling Dems and just bought each other handguns and range time for valentines day. We feel we will be needing guns

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Gun control doesn't mean no access to guns. Things like violent offenders or people who have been medically determined to be unfit not being able to buy guns counts as gun control. If you think it should be illegal for domestic abusers to own firearms, you are for gun control. Now, you may not think there is an effective way to have proper gun control and not affect your freedoms, but that's a different thing.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The way it works in the UK - very well by the way - is that simply being caught with a gun is enough to get you thrown in the slammer. Consequently crims don't go around armed, and for the most part the police don't need to be armed either. It was a real shock to me the day I walked through Heathrow and there was a pair of armed officers walking around; I think that's the first and only time (off-screen) I've ever seen a gun. If the police need armed backup then they have to call for a specially trained squad.

The only other armed units are the Services. We don't have any "militarised forces that abuse their power", afaik.

Guns for sports are allowed but there are extremely strict regulations around them.

Shootings here are extremely rare. Of course they still happen, no solution is 100%, but it's close, and a hell of a lot closer than the bizarre American fetish that the ultimate solution to gun violence is more guns and more guns and more guns, absolutely flying in the face of all the facts.

That Onion article entitled "No way to solve this, says the only country with this problem" is spectacularly on point.

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Extremely strict regulations means the rich can have them freely and poors have to jump through multiple hurdles.

The working class should never be disarmed.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

works great in australia too! so now you have 2 examples in real life that prove that argument invalid

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then why didn't they fucking vote for it?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Because none of this was an option. Genocide Joe didn't do shit about any of this and kamalacaust promised the exact same thing.

[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree with every single one of those except for the taking away my guns part. The second amendment is vitally important for the exact reason of what we are going through right now: the overtaking of the US government by oppressive fascists.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

It doesn't say anything about taking away guns. It says gun control laws. These often include things like a waiting period to purchase a gun if you don't have your concealed weapons license. Or bans on people owning guns if they have previous convictions for assault/battery.

The first they try to do to prevent crimes of passion. Basically if someone finds out their spouse is cheating on them and they find out, they don't walk into a pawn shop, walk out immediately with a gun go shoot the person they cheated with, their spouse and then themselves. Instead the hope is that they walk into the pawn store, buy the gun, they tell them they can come back in 5 days and pick it up. And hopefully in 5 days they will have calmed down enough they have found a better way to deal with the situation. States like Florida had these rules for handguns because they are easier to conceal while shotguns and rifles you could walk out with same day. Desantis I believe changed the gun laws recently though, so idk what they are anymore. I've bought guns in Florida and Tennessee, and I always thought laws like that were reasonable.

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[–] gamer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You're going to hand over your guns without making a fuss the microsecond that the gestapo knock on your door, and you know it.

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[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Be all that as it may, but sweet fuck all percent of you actually vote, so what difference will it make?

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[–] RoosterBoy@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Lol. This was exactly what I was going to post.

[–] Manticore 7 points 2 weeks ago

You'd want to avoid using the word 'progressive' because it's already become a shorthand.

People will vote against things they want (ACA) over terms they hate (Obamacare).

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago

Drop the anti-gun arguments; they aren't based on reality.

[–] Necroscope0@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Our entire US system is set up to make it so that it is essentially (literally) impossible for a third party to win. This article gives a decent basic overview of why: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4947662-why-a-third-party-presidential-candidate-can-never-win/

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you need to somehow get money out of politics or these majorities will continue to be divided.

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[–] Rin@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Then fucking vote like it

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Such a party should have rejecting corporate/foreign/etc money as part of its platform. Also candidates should be barred from owning stock.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

The current two party system doesn't represent what the majority wants. Both parties work for the super wealthy. Until we get rid of the Democratic and Republican parties nothing good will happen.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure if people too lazy to vote in a primary to get progressive candidates on the ballot are going to put in the immense amount of effort to create a new political party.

[–] all4theTomatoes@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

I believe this will achieve exactly nothing. The whole system is rigged against the people, neither the republicans nor the democrats (aside from a few sore thumbs) work for the interest of the people. And you can bet you're bottom dollar if there ever was a new political party the democrats and republicans will work hand-in-hand to prevent this new party from taking power.

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Meh, I'm guessing there already is some small party that ticks all those boxes. I'm guessing independents, or some random party could win certain local races if the Dem and Rep are both very unpopular, and the media gives them air time (that may be hard). Unfortunately, I don't think the next presidential election will be valid election, and I don't think the state-level elections in red states will be valid either. Having other parties can be useful for getting messaging out (again, if the media gives them air-time), but the country looks like it's going full fascist, which will probably need mass direct action, or war, to unseat.

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