Asklemmy

While I am an AI enthusiast, generative AI has two issues that make it very hard to accept here

One is definitely the fact that we all know they have been trained using our data without our informed consent, not to mention it bring a typical case where copyright only applies to big companies, it doesn't really protect individuals.

The second one is simply that we are in a social network. Social. We use it to communicate with people, not to play games or take part in experiments. It's like using comments to a question for statistical purposes, you have to tell people they are taking part in it.

Here we want to discuss daily life, politics and hobbies with other people, forming opinions based on what other people think, and spending time and energy to explain our positions to other people. If the other end is a machine, how is this different from an NPC from an RPG game?

So, I guess the only way to go for it is to have separate communities that specifically allow AI bots, making sure people know about it so they take part if they are willing. Ofc we can expect some instances deciding to cut ties with AI filled ones, it's up to them to decide.

Kill it to death. With hammers.

I'm of the tilt that it's spam if it's not providing a service. I don't want comment sections covered in vapid muck.

For starters, do you have reason to believe a large number of Lemmy users are legitimately bots, or is this just a thing where you saw someone with a different opinion? Lemmy overall is aligned in being generally anti-AI.

Ew.

We have some cracking communities for AI images –

• !imageai@sh.itjust.works

• !stable_diffusion@lemmy.dbzer0.com

• !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com

The moral panic where the hivemind loves-to-hate AI won't last, I just tune it out.

In general, if it isn't open source in every sense of the term, GPL license, all weights and parts of the model, and all the training data and training methods, it's a non-starter for me.

I'm not even interested in talking about AI integration unless it passes those initial requirements.

Scraping millions of people's data and content without their knowledge or consent is morally dubious already.

Taking that data and using it to train proprietary models with secret methodologies, locking it behind a pay wall, then forcing it back onto consumers regardless of what they want in order to artificially boost their stock price and make a handful of people disgustingly wealthy is downright demonic.

Especially because it does almost nothing to enrich our lives. In its current form, it is an anti-human technology.

Now all that being said, if you want to run it totally on your own hardware, to play with and help you with your own tasks, that's your choice. Using in a way that you have total sovereignty over is good.

In the fediverse? Same as outside. It's a solution looking for a problem. We generate our own content here, everyone is here because of the rest of the automated bots everywhere else. Look at lemmit online, it's an instance dedicated to mirroring reddit subs for us here, but it's a ghost town because we all pretty quickly realized it was boring interacting with bots.

A bot has to have a good purpose here. Like an auto archive bot so people click a better link, or bots like wikibot. I'm not saying AI is useless here, but I haven't seen a good actual use case for it here yet

I love genAI and I play with it all the time. I also use it to generate inspiration for my art. I'd never suggest releasing a model to the Fediverse.

algorithms are going to come regardless of what anyone wants.