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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/26136291

Mozilla has just deleted the following:

“Does Firefox sell your personal data?”

“Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

Source: Lundke journal.

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[–] SpaceTurtle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

This seems out of context. The same git commit that removes the paragraph OP pointed out also adds the following text:

"We believe the internet is for people, not profit. Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too."

To me that seems more like a re-wording than a fundamental change.

Edit: I somewhat misread the commit, as @olexander@lemmy.world pointed out below.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

We need an eu browser. The governent for example should only use software that is verifiably secure.

[–] golli@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'd agree with that if it weren't for multiple EU goverments including mine (Germany) trying to undermine encryption and security at every opportunity possible, despite getting told off by courts more than once.

Imo the question is how a non profit can be set up to reliably follow their goals in the longterm. And my fear is that ultimately it is always down to the personnel selection, which you can't lock in.

[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 32 points 14 hours ago

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 42 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

So if you don’t want to use a chromium based browser but also care about privacy, you’re now fucked?

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 40 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Firefox is open-source. Certainly, you're out of options in terms of "name-brand" browsers, but there's a number of Firefox forks. On desktop, LibreWolf is the closest thing to mainline and on Android, IronFox is the equivalent.

If you want something more than just "Firefox minus the branding and tracking", some of the deeper forks are Zen Browser and Floorp.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

What happened to Fennec and PaleMoon? Are they no bueno these days?

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 30 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

If you don't want to use Gecko nor Chromium, I am aware of the following alternatives:

WebKit

Though associated with Apple and Safari, WebKit (@webkit@front-end.social) has its origins in KDE and its Konqueror browser. KDE developed its own web engine called KHTML, which was forked into WebKit. It's therefore fully open source, despite the Apple connection.

On Linux you can use WebKit in GNOME Web (formerly Epiphany) or Konqueror. If you're on Mac, Safari is probably your best bet. Windows users appear to be out of luck.

Servo

Servo (@servo@floss.social) is a brand new Rust-based engine which was originally developed by Mozilla, but which was abandoned by them like good things often are. Thankfully the Linux foundation took over developments. It's still in development, but from their download page you can take it for a spin within seconds on all three major operating systems. It's looking pretty good.

They maintain a list of things made with Servo. The most promising project so far appears to be a browser named Verso.

Ladybird

Ladybird is another development to follow. Unlike WebKit and Servo, Ladybird is being developed as a web browser in its own right, but this browser will come with a completely original rendering engine. It aims to have an alpha released next year, and is largely written in C++.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 14 points 14 hours ago

Funnily enough WebKit was Chromium's original engine.

[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 7 points 14 hours ago

They maintain a list of things made with Servo

As someone who has been closely following the development of Servo, today I still learned that Verso and Servoshell are not the only things using Servo.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago

There is always Dillo...

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 37 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] LWD@lemm.ee 21 points 15 hours ago

Mozilla FakeSpot promises that the following "is Sold and/or Shared [with] Advertising partners":

  • "browsing history, search history"
  • "Geolocation data"
  • "a profile about a consumer"

Instead of aligning FakeSpot (which they bought in 2023) with their pro-privacy stance, it seems they are realigning their stance with their actual activity.

Brownie points for being honest, I guess.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Any alternatives to Firefox?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Waterfox. It's no longer owned by the marketing company that acquired it before

[–] retiolus@lemmy.cat 7 points 14 hours ago

What about Thunderbird?