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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 24 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Somebody pointed out that HN's management is partially to blame for the situation in general, on HN. Copying their comment here because it's the sort of thing Dan might blank:

but I don't want to get hellbanned by dang.

Who gives a fuck about HN. Consider the notion that dang is, in fact, partially to blame for this entire fiasco. He runs an easy-to-propagandize platform due how much control of information is exerted by upvotes/downvotes and unchecked flagging. It's caused a very noticeable shift over the past decade among tech/SV/hacker voices -- the dogmatic following of anything that Musk or Thiel shit out or say, this community laps it up without hesitation. Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes.

I look forward to all of it burning down so we can, collectively, learn our lessons and realize that building platforms where discourse itself is gamified (hn, twitter, facebook, and reddit) is exactly what led us down this path today.

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

OAI announced their shiny new toy: DeepResearch (still waiting on DeeperSeek). A bot built off O3 which can crawl the web and synthesize information into expert level reports!

Noam is coming after you @dgerard, but don't worry he thinks it's fine. I'm sure his new bot is a reliable replacement for a decentralized repository of all human knowledge freely accessible to all. I'm sure this new system doesn't fail in any embarrassing wa-

After posting multiple examples of the model failing to understand which player is on which team (if only this information was on some sort of Internet Encyclopedia, alas), Professional AI bully Colin continues: "I assume that in order to cure all disease, it will be necessary to discover and keep track of previously unknown facts about the world. The discovery of these facts might be a little bit analogous to NBA players getting traded from team to team, or aging into new roles. OpenAI's "Deep Research" agent thinks that Harrison Barnes (who is no longer on the Sacramento Kings) is the Kings' best choice to guard LeBron James because he guarded LeBron in the finals ten years ago. It's not well-equipped to reason about a changing world... But if it can't even deal with these super well-behaved easy facts when they change over time, you want me to believe that it can keep track of the state of the system of facts which makes up our collective knowledge about how to cure all diseases?"

xcancel link if anyone wants to see some more glorious failure cases:

https://xcancel.com/colin_fraser/status/1886506507157585978#m

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Aligning people is hard too" a thing that only a literal sociopath would think and only a special kind of sociopath would utter publicly

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[–] self@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago

it’s amazing how intensely these assholes want to end Wikipedia and pollute all other community information sources beyond repair. it feels like it’s all part of the same strategy:

  • without consent, scrape all the information from an online source as destructively as you can
  • if possible, render that source useless by polluting it with LLM crap
  • otherwise, shut it down through political means
  • now that you’ve pulled the ladder up behind you, replace that information source with your garbage LLM and start rentseeking harder than Netflix
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

in which karpathy goes "eh, fuckit":

a tweet by andrej karpathy, text below

karpathy tweet textThere's a new kind of coding I call "vibe coding", where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. It's possible because the LLMs (e.g. Cursor Composer w Sonnet) are getting too good. Also I just talk to Composer with SuperWhisper so I barely even touch the keyboard. I ask for the dumbest things like "decrease the padding on the sidebar by half" because I'm too lazy to find it. I "Accept All" always, I don't read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment, usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension, I'd have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs can't fix a bug so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. It's not too bad for throwaway weekend projects, but still quite amusing. I'm building a project or webapp, but it's not really coding - I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff, and copy paste stuff, and it mostly works.

skipping past the implicit assumption of "well, just have a bunch of money to be able to keep throwing the autoplag at the wall until something sticks", the admissions of not giving a single fuck about anything, and the straight and plain "well, it often just doesn't work like we keep promising it does", imagine being this fucking incurious and void of joy

I'm left wondering if this bastard is running through the stages of grief (at being thrown out), because this sure as fuck reads like despair to me

[–] istewart@awful.systems 21 points 2 weeks ago

This reinforces my judgment that the ultimate customers for code-completion models are people who don’t actually want to be writing code in the first place.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, it's now "not too bad for throwaway weekend projects". Wow, great. Let's fire all the programmers already!

Apart from whatever the fuck that process is, it is not engineering.

And to think that people hated on Visual Basic once... in comparison to this stuff, it was the most solid of solid foundations.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, it’s now

on the level of a 'build your own website' site. They are the wysiwyg users now.

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[–] maol@awful.systems 21 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Slate says: "For the Love of God, Stop Profiling This Couple!"

The Collinses are ineffective, abusive industry plants from Peter Thiel’s extended circle. They know they’re entirely media creations. They play off that fact to ensure that journalists never follow up on how many initiatives they’ve started and abandoned, neglect to interrogate their contradictory stances on issues like abortion and “race science,” and even seem to accept that they’re openly being taken for a ride by these dorks. Yet in spite of it all, no one listens to their podcast, they don’t really have much of a following, and their specific appeal is concentrated to a few far-right circuits.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the new Washington Post profile, Malcolm implies that he “engineered the scene” because “he knew smacking his kid would draw attention, help the article go viral and get their message out.”

How does beating your kid for clicks make anything better!? You still beat your two year old kid!

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dear acausal robot God, that was cathartic. Refreshing to see a mainstream journalist see through techbro weirdo uwu smol bean antics for what they are, especially after so many credulous puff pieces.

This includes the Guardian (twice), the Wall Street Journal, the Philadelphia Inquirer, CBC News, Business Insider, Bloomberg, and Dallas Magazine, among many, many others. My industry peers very clearly want me to know about these people—a lot about them!

I knew that a couple of outlets had done profiles of them lately, but I didn't realize they were attention whoring this hard. Maybe their thing isn't a breeding kink after all, but exhibitionism.

I also didn't know about the child abuse, though I could have seen it coming without subjecting myself to two Grauniad bits on these fuckers^1^.

And then there’s the slap. The most notable aspect of the Guardian’s May 2024 profile—which, again, profiled them twice in the same year—was a moment when Malcolm slaps his son in the face, in public, after the then-2-year-old accidentally bumped into a table, leaving the boy “whimpering.” To her credit, reporter Jenny Kleeman didn’t let this go, forcing the couple to defend this punishment.

1: Don't even know if "fucker" is appropriate here given these bougie failchildren are apparently opting for IVF for the actual baby making part.

[–] maol@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

I think the first Guardian article had some value, just because the reporter hung around the Collinses long enough that they indicted themselves through their own actions and words. Whether that outweighs giving two eugenicists a platform to tell people about their beliefs is difficult to judge.

Iirc, whatshisface defended himself by claiming that black parents were more likely to hit their kids, therefore it was racist to criticise him for doing so

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

I think you'll find Guangdong did a lot of the actual building.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Kelsey Piper continues to bluecheck:

Scott Alexander was accused of being secretly a right-wing racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled, and I think a bunch of his followers believed it, and now they're shocked and hurt that he's actually the sincere center left guy he said he was the whole time.

(Via.)

(For convenience: The leaked e-mails in which he admits to being secretly racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled. And his endorsement of super-racist Richard Lynn from last month.)

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

really enjoying (?) the implication that anything less than extreme genocidal resentment is considered left of centre these days

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Anybody can be left of center if the overton window shifts enough far right. He doesnt want to sterilize ALL minorities so clearly he is an ally.

[–] maol@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

The use of the word sincere here bothers me.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

at long last, we have found genai use case

result: decisive chinese cultural victory

tumblr screencap of 4chan screencap with text: deepseek is the only algorithm that does my fetish with gusto no questions asked. as a result i have installed a portrait of the honorable chairman xi in my goon cave

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

+6 culture generation for each person gooning under a portrait of xi jinping. china's borders will expand quickly

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

ah yes, content from the well-known community mod Cursid Meier

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I distinctly recall a lot of people a few years ago parroting some variation of "well I don't know about Bitcoin specifically, but blockchain itself is probably going to be important and even revolutionary as a technology" and sometimesI wish I'd collected receipts to say "I told you it's not".

Here we are, year of Nakamoto 17 and the full list of use cases for blockchains is:

  • Speculative trading of toy currencies made up by private nobodies
  • Paying through the nose to execute arbitrary code on SETI@Home's evil cousin
  • Speculative trading of arbitrary blobs of bytes made up by private nobodies

And no, Git is not a fucking blockchain. Much like the New York City Subway is not the fucking Loop.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago

year of Nakamoto 17

so what you're saying is, next year a whole lot of these guys are suddenly going to lose interest

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[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 17 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

The blue check reaction to the totally cracked treasury zoomers showcases a complete rejection of the importance of domain knowledge. It's 10x software engineer syndrome metastasized.

They're saying that the ice cream hair kid - who has never worked on a real world system because he's STILL IN COLLEGE - is going to do us proud because he translated a greek scroll in high school? Good for him, but so what? Ben Carson split babies in half like Solomon and he's still a moron.

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Penny Arcade weighs in on deepseek distilling chatgpt (or whatever actually the deal is):

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 26 points 2 weeks ago

"Wow, this Penny Arcade comic featuring toxic yaoi of submissive Sam Altman is lowkey kinda hot" is a sentence neither I nor any LLM, Markov chain or monkey on a typewriter could have predicted but now exists.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago

A long time ago when the whole "should we cctv everything" idea was new and controversial I recall an interview or something with a london police chief, at the time the most cctved city. He admitted that cctv didnt help them stop crime or catch more criminals. He still wanted more cctv though. I think about that every now and then when there is another 'our surveillance tech actually does not work but we want more of it' story

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Pivot to AI: Amy is retiring! Probably! yes my cowriter has heard the call of revolution and will be having full and frank debates in the marketplace of ideas. WIth sweet reason.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

Send her my thanks for her service! o7

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

There are days where I think that desktop Linux usability has gotten so good, it has come such a long way since I started using it in the late 90s, and that now it's really good. And then there are days like today, where I just install some system updates, reboot, and suddenly I'm greeted with:

Note: I have absolutely no idea what "Fcitx" even is. Or why and how it's launched, or whether I'm actually using it or not. Or what this notification is trying to tell me exactly, and whether it is desirable for me to "improve the experience" with it. Or how the latest updates caused this. It appears that it has something to do with keyboard input, I guess. I assume that I could find out more by crawling the web. But honestly, I'm just too fucking exhausted to even bother figuring it out. I don't even want to know how much lifetime I've already spent chasing Linux problems like that.

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

a phrase to make your skin crawl right off:

Lighthaven cuddle puddle

And after that shot, a chaser:

Is the Dark Enlightenment actually fascist? Not at all. It's probably the least fascistic strain of political thought today, though this requires understanding what fascism really is, which the word itself now obscures. Is it racist? Perhaps. The term is so malleable that it's hard to say with clarity.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is the least fascist strain of political thought. and everybody knows. everybody knows. sometimes, this happened twice, maybe more, I have men come up to me, big strong men with tears in their eyes, and they say, mr president, we've never seen a strain of thought less fascist

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@sc_griffith

Apparently "Trauma" is banned. That's going to be a problem.

This is what happens when you give power to bigoted morons.

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 14 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

@sc_griffith

Note: They're all problems. Just “Trauma" is kind of extra-important because of its use as a medical term.

Trauma surgery, Barotrauma, Traumatic Brain Injury, Penetrating Trauma, Blunt Trauma, Abdominal Trauma, Polytrauma, Etc.

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

one of the most annoying things about writing for a US audience is they're fucking illiterate and alluding to books confuses them

wanna grab editors by the throat and go "JUST WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU PEOPLE EVEN DOING IN HIGH SCHOOL"

actual example from today: "who the hell is Fagin never heard of him"

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[–] self@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

courtesy of 404media: fuck almighty it’s all my nightmares all at once including the one where an amalgamation of the most aggressively mediocre VPs I’ve ever worked for replaces everything with AI and nobody stops them because tech is fucked and the horrors have already been normalized

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[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Today in "propaganda I didn't think I needed to worry about" - Cybertruck kids books!

And another one! This one actually has a good title in "The Ugly Truckling" and I'm legitimately mad as the father of a truck-obsessed child that it's wasted here.

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