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[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 61 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

leftist : anti-capitalism :: liberal : pro-capitalism

Why is this so hard for some radlibs to understand? I think it is all the propaganda they passively consume.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, it’s hard for them to understand because of a lifetime of anti-socialist & pro-capitalist propaganda, propaganda which most of them aren’t even aware of, because for them it’s just common sense.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The right side is just liberalism. This is what happens when the left and liberal are melded together in everyday western society/language and the water is muddied. It’s intended. It confuses people, overwhelms them, and leads them to use the apparatus that the ruling class has placed in front of us to circumvent true working class interests and movements. It’s why liberals scoff at potential allies (leftists), instead of seeing the truth: a unified working class.

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[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There two sides.

1% and their zombies

The rest of us.

Let's not split up and weaken. 💪

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 weeks ago

That is indeed the two sides depicted in the meme

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 24 points 4 weeks ago

Ooh, the fascists aren’t gonna like this one

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

If someone said they were leftist then I would very much hope they were pro EU and pro Ukraine

It’s the far right that is against those

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 weeks ago (14 children)

horseshoe theory with "I'm not like other girls" characteristics

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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (23 children)

What the hell you talking about? These are all revolutionary heroes acting in self defense and promoting solidarity.

Calling Fanon a tankie is the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Try reading a book for once in your life. He talks about how violence psychologically harms the revolutionary more than it does the people they attack.

Malcolm X was protecting himself after being firebombed here.

Fred Hampton was a socialist and preached cross racial solidarity and black power as a way of elevating black people into solidarity.

The Zapatistas are indigenous heroes who are resisting oppression of the state, who prefer civil disobedience but will act to protect themselves.

Sacco and Vanzetti were organizing a general strike and were framed then murdered by the state

Leila Khalid was separated from her family at 15 during the Palestinian expulsion and resisting Israeli occupation

Where the hell are the tankies in this pic? What are you people even talking about

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[–] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 10 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

"I'm a leftist!" Helps get a rapist felon fascist get elected

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (7 children)

It is so funny when Americans think that the election was fair and they had a choice. You have a kayfabe version of democracy.

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 weeks ago

"Take the Blue Pill and the gradual slide into fascism stops accelerating for four years while the current hellscape becomes the status quo, take the Red Pill and buckle the fuck up as we hyperspeed into fascism"

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[–] ziproot@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago
  1. Those who didn’t vote, or voted third party, due to the pointless war in the middle east that involved war crimes just like every war I can think of since the Geneva Convention became a thing, that President Biden funded, did so in safe states that VP Harris won.
  2. The makeup of the United States means that Republicans have an advantage in the Senate and therefore also the Electoral College.
  3. Republicans gerrymander, Democrats half-heartedly gerrymander, since that is against the ideology of liberalism. This gives Republicans an edge in the House of Representatives as well.
  4. The Republican advantage in the Senate is so great that the only way for Democrats to get a majority is to include neoliberal or conservative senators like Manchin, meaning progress is continuously stifled.
  5. The Republicans are allowed to get away with stretching the rules, while the Democrats have to follow the rules at all times. Part of this, again, is due to adhering to liberal ideology, and part of it is due to the ruling class favoring Republicans. There has been a conservative majority in the Supreme Court since the 1980s. Democrats are controlled opposition, in that no matter how hard they try, they will never be able to enact meaningful change.
  6. An actual left-wing candidate would not be liberal, as is the point of this post. Therefore, they would have no chance of winning the Democratic primary. That would force them to run as an independent or in a third party, and our system makes it almost impossible for a third party candidate to win, at least at the national level.

Yes, it is better to vote for a Democrat than a Republican, but it is much better to build grassroots support for leftism, which, shocker, is what leftists have been trying to do in the US for centuries. If anything, the leftists are doing the most to fight fascism, by trying to get rid of the US system of government that is biased towards the status quo, which by definition benefits the ruling class.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 weeks ago

We should make a special political spectrum just for these people. Let's call it the imperial political spectrum.

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Both can be correct, it's not a hard black and white split

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The leftist revolutionary heroes are resisting the people on the right, it is a hard split. The people on the right are shepherds of the US carceral state and imperial murderers

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 weeks ago

Last time I checked, that's not how that works, everyone has a wide range of ideals and views. Not 1 or 2, there can be 1 1/2, 1 1/3, 1 1/10000, whatever

[–] millie 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This framing isn't particularly helpful for solidarity.

The left relies on coalitions. Criticizing the stewards of those coalitions because they fail to address the needs of the people they rely on for votes is helpful and constructive. Just reducing all left-wing voters to a pair of stereotypes and trying to push one of those stereotypes away from the other? Not helpful.

We need nuanced dialogue and mutual aid. It's a matter of survival. This isn't that.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

They are imperial murderers and managers of corporate oligarchy. The solidarity we form is against them. They are not left-wing at all, they are hard right wing reactionaries in a nation where the overton window has been shifted and the population is so brainwashed that they can even entertain that they are left-wing. They are barely left of most right wing politicians in the world. As a prosecutor, Kamala Harris has condemned thousands of innocent people to hard labor in slave camps and is an agent of the carceral state. Anyone in the US government is the enemy of free people in the US and around the world.

Your last phrase uses the words of the people on the left not the right, but clearly you don't understand the problem. You are just an apologist for genocide, slavery and empire.

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[–] _____@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

the fucking hat lmao

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm really struggling to find a party that i fully agree with.

For one, i like true leftist ideals, but i don't like guns, so i guess the left parts of the image doesn't apply to me.

On the other side, i think the long-standing support for Ukraine is an atrocious mistake, because it prolongs the suffering unnecessarily (after all, the uproar in Ukraine is mostly an CIA-inspired action after all i believe, and diplomatic solutions were not sought). But shitting on that pink hat (which is clearly a symbol for queer/trans people) is just unacceptable. just leave the people live their own private life as they want. What's so difficult about that?

Edit: as per the comments, i stand corrected and am sorry for my half-assed take. i'll leave it up anyways, because i guess it's a chance to learn for any reader.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

But shitting on that pink hat (which is clearly a symbol for queer/trans people) is just unacceptable

That isn't what that is a symbol for at all. It was a knit hat made for an ineffective Trump protest in 2017. Actually queer and trans people found the hats exclusionary. So did non white people whose genitalia aren't that color. The entire pussy-hat movement was feel-good liberal activity that accomplished nothing and made no difference. Much like the liberal "support" for Ukraine.

but i don’t like guns

This is extreme privilege. None of us like guns just to like guns. Brother Malcolm was being threatened with his life daily and his home was firebombed then he was assassinated, he was trying to protect himself. Fred Hampton was literally murdered by the police. The Zapatistas and Palestinians don't resort to violence because they "like it" either, they are targets of the state that act with violence on them and both have learned that civil disobedience has its limits. Sacco and Vanzetti were anarchists that were executed by the state after being framed and falsely accused of a bombing, armed robbery and murder which the state of Massachusetts apologized for in 1977.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

None of us like guns just to like guns

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

This is why I usually try not to label myself these days. Invariably there is nuance that I'm not aware of, or that some others interpret differently.

I'm NOT a democrat, republican, conservative, communist, socialist, liberal, maga, or anarchist.

But I lean left on social issues, often hard left, though I say that while also saying I'm firmly anti-authoritarian. And I don't really put fiscal on a separate axis because there are fiscal impacts to any set of beliefs with regard to how various social issues should be considered. I'm also not at all conversant in the slightest bit of nuance regarding how the economy works.

I'm sure some folks would call me a leftist based on the above. Others would insist I'm a liberal. Am I a progressive? Not sure.

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