Most if not all non-paid options will have privacy concerns similar to gmail, so you’ll have to pay. I pay for Proton, and though I’m not thrilled about some of the political bullshit their CEO has been up to recently, I think I’ll stay with them for now since they’re still good for privacy, and their other services are solid. They’re also very upfront about what they charge and why, and I think they still plan to transition to a non-profit.
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It's not just the pro-trump stuff though, there's also the case of being very pro-cop in that they helped get info about a french activist against their will or settings, we believe.
God, I can't believe people are still spreading this nonsense. Proton complied with a legal warrant. Name another company on the planet that will receive a legal warrant and refuses to comply. I'll wait.
And the fact that their internal information even can reveal any information indicates a lack of true privacy. Here is an example of setting up a system so you cannot comply.
how the fuck do you run an email provider without storing anything on disk, first of all?
next point is mullvad is ready to close shop if that's what they need to do after a raid. but of you're storing people's data for their request basically, like Proton, you can't just do that because everyone will be mad for losing their data and access to the email service.
finally, Proton does provide a way to use their services in secret, as they run their onion site. login over Tor, done. but probably also create the account over Tor, and never log in through clearnet with that account
I was answering
Name another company on the planet that will receive a legal warrant and refuses to comply. I'll wait.
No you weren't. Not having the information is not the same thing as refusing to comply.
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Mullvad doesn't host email. The warrant pertained to emails, not a VPN.
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sure, they must have shut down all services instead, that would have been the real solution!!
Unironically this.
That definitely sounds concerning, do you have a link or anything? Any company would have to comply with a legal court order regardless of their preference or ideology, so how they comply comes down to the amount of information they store and for how long. Just saying, the fact that they helped the cops (as much as I hate the cops in general) doesn’t necessarily mean they handed everything over or volunteered anything they weren’t legally obligated to provide. But I don’t know the specifics of the case you mentioned.
Several links, here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983
https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
Hope this helps!
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Yes, about this case of I remember well they provided the IP address of the activists.
Any email provider has to follow the law and will have to provide the information they have. The only diffidence of that in the case of proton the information they have is the IP address you used to connect to their service. For another provider the information might be all the content of your email.
The imprompted praise to Trump from proton CEO on the other hand is more concerning.
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Not that many people use email much anymore
Where do you live, because I want to go there immediately.
IDK, what else do they use? Email has to be the least bad option. At least with email you can choose your provider (or be your own).
Any of the dozens of federated chat services.
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I use proton and for registering on different sites I usually use addy.io. Also, I recently found a new mail service that looks nice and might give it a try soon, disroot.org
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I use Tuta mail. It is entirely open source. There are both paid and free tiers. I started on a paid tier, then downgraded to free. I like the option of a usable free tier when money is tight. I use addy.io for aliases.
Disroot - A lot of people in the know about privacy seem to really like it.
Really though email is a bullshit communication medium and unless you're insisting on using GPG for every message and make sure your or other people's keys never got compromised I wouldn't rely on it.
Really hoping Dark Mail actually becomes a thing at some point. If it was that with locally stored encrypted email then email might actually be worth bothering with.
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I'm currently moving (for the last year) from Gmail to mailbox.org.
They have a free level, but I wanted aliases, so I pay $30/year. Worth every penny.
Been with MailBox.org for ages and it's been absolutely fantastic. Proton had very limited offerings at the time, but even now I haven't felt the need to move.
I think the most basic email offering is €1/month.
I moved from proton to mailbox a few months ago and so far I'm really happy with it too
Same here. Moved from Outlook to Mailbox a year ago and I'm happy with it, using mostly custom domains with catch all. I havo also recently enabled encryption which wasn't hard to integrate into my mail clients at all. They dont have a free plan, but the cheapest plan is 1€/month (which doesn't allow custom domains).
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proton.
Proton unlimited comes with unlimited everything on proton pass, including disposable email addresses
Proton have shown recently they are very much pro-cop and pro-trump and so aren't that private or worthwhile any more.
I've been a Proton customer for over 4 years and I'm leaving because of this. Don't use Proton.
They're against censorship and in favor of free speech. If you hear about a VPN provider that blocks their users' access to certain things based on the owner's political beliefs that's a shitty VPN provider
Full disclosure. I'm not a fan of Trump. I'm just a free speech absolutist and even if I hate what someone has to say I think they should be allowed to say it.
There's already laws against threats, slander and libel and even doxing in some places.
That is not the concern. The concern is that their free speech has indicated they support cops, which means they're more likely to be compliant. No one is talking about this speech here, but the content of it.
Also you aren't.
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if you wanna forget privacy and subscribe to a proprietary startup instead, use hey mail because it just sorts well. otherwise just use proton like everyone else said
Tutanota or disroot.
While I'm using Proton rn, I'm planning to migrate to Posteo with Addy.io for aliases. However they all cost money. If you mean free email that's not tie to a billionaire, I can't think one off my head. You can achieve "free" by hosting your own email server as it sounds you're intended for receiving only, but the electricity still cost some, plus you are doning free labor to make sure it is happy.
Protonmail. I have over 25 different online accounts/identities (each one for a different topic gaming, movies, music, coding etc.), all Protonmail based.
Proton is run by a fascist. Its only a matter of time until they too will Start sucking Trumps balls
LOL. Proton is absolutely not run by a fascist. You should learn what fascism is and what they do. Proton CEO is way WAY more tame than actual fascists. It's actually not even close IMO.
he is at least a very dumb person if he believes Trump sides against bigtech
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Riseup.net Private, free, encrypted
Invite-only and no clear way to get said invites
While we're at it, anyone got a good site for temporary addresses that are basically used exactly once? And ideally don't immediately get flagged as spam addresses.
To DIY you can buy your own domain and attach it to any paid email provider, then you get an infinite amount of temporary addresses. e.g. if you own @ rumschlumpel.blahblahblah.org then you can create abc@ , xyz@ , abc123@ , etc. as much as you like.
Just about all the email provider suggestions in this thread have a paid tier that you can configure your own domain with.
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mailbox.org
Rise up has changed their invite policy to one every 24 hours. I am sending out invites in order of request, but have had (to date) 21 DM’s. I have to draw a line and will send one per day until I am cut off.
Thanks
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