I can't for the life of me understand why the NDP and the Greens don't team up and aggressively campaign for electoral reform.
this post was submitted on 09 Jan 2025
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Because every time the NDP has tried to push electoral reform, voters tell them they don't care about the party's pet project. It comes across as tone deaf and academic when they push it.
Basically, the electorate does not like the NDP, and they cannot push any idea that actually makes the country structurally better without being burried in bad faith arguments. And they've become very responsive to bad faith arguments in the last 15 - 20 years or so.
I would assert that the best the NDP have done has been through influencing a minority red government toward a goal that helps us all. The beginnings of the dental plan was awesome, for instance.
.... which makes the current abandonment of the only coat-tails they can ride seem pretty stupid. Why, if you have only the play where you make the reds be kind because you'll never have the PM seat nor the opposition seat yourself, do you then kill your golden goose?
Because when everyone knows that your only play is to support the reds, then the reds themselves know that they can abuse that desperation, renege on deals with you, etc. After all, what other plays do you have?
Dropping the deal is short-term disadvantageous, but by establishing a reputation for punishing allies who don't uphold their end of a bargain, they can be more influential in the future.
There are countries that have elected leftist governments so you can’t say it will never happen.
I am agree
"Ranked ballot" is the best IMO. You still end up with a representative that you have a small amount of influence over instead of an unaccountable electoral slate. It's unclear who you would bribe to get your corporatist agenda advanced, but the oligarchs would just bribe them all.
Take Green party as an example that gets 1-2% of seats now. It or similar party could adopt a single issue platform that gets 10% of votes, but it could be a RFK Jr extremist position. Current/recent Green platforms could win 30%+ of seats if CIA Canadian media didn't tell you that you are wasting your vote on them.
At any rate, ranked ballot is a massive positive with 0 "unintended consequences" from a radical change in representation system. Can push for alternate voting systems after.
Ranked is definitely better than FPTP, but not the best. Here is a quick and entertaining video on ranked voting (aka alternative ballot)
And this disagreement was one of the main reasons Trudeau abandoned the attempt. (Noting that the attempt was started then abandoned as a failed effort, which I see as different from a cynically broken promise)
There was no clear path to a consensus, even among experts, on which other system to adopt.
Couple that with the reality that the majority of Canadians don't really care about the minutae of the voting system.
Sure highly politically engaged people in discussion forums might care deeply, but the average person really doesn't.
The main reason Trudeau abandoned the attempt is that any method that would offer better representation for voters would ensure no more Liberal majorities with ~35% of the vote.
That's it. He had a majority in parliament. He could have rammed it through. Instead, he assigned his most junior minister to the portfolio and let it die in committee. Constrast it with buying the TMX pipeline, which happened lickety-split.
Winning the popular vote is vanishing rare in Canada, but curiously we've had a number of Liberal and Conservative majority governments with weak pluralities. Neither the LPC nor the CPC will change a system that benefits them, but if I were the NDP, I'd make common cause with the BQ and Greens and, if I won, I'd ram PR through on day two.
If you believe Ranked is the best that's fine, but suggesting we can push for alternative voting systems after is just not realistic. The temporary solution almost always becomes the permanent one.
FPTP sucks. Media amplifies its suckitude by not polling districts and letting you be informed on which candidate is a wasted vote if you are ABC for example.
One of Trump's more corrupt than average acts was telling his party to vote against an anti-immigrant bill. Politicians making things worse so you stay angry and hateful so that you turn out to vote for the politician who keeps you angry and hateful, is a weakness of democracy and the corruption we are stuck in.
There is no actual impediment to improving anything in society. Instead of collapsing society first, it is actually easier to make small optimizations if you don't live in a dumpster fire. You are acknowledging broken corrupt system if you need the dumpster fire to get bigger for progressive views to take hold.
NDP will never win because their party color is orange and its one of the least liked colors. People are that simple.
Although Trump seems popular... hmm...
Joseph Gubbels? That is comically close to Joseph Goebbels lol