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hey nerds, I'm getting myself a new personal laptop as a treat, but I very much do not want windows 11 shitting it up. Is there a linux distro with caveman-compatible instructions for installation and use? I want to think about my OS as little as possible while actually using it.

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

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[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

It's hilarious how uncool it is to suggest Ubuntu but it often just works, including very recent hardware if it's from Canonical partners like Lenovo or Dell. And the kerfuffle about things like snaps are way overblown.

[–] dan@upvote.au 15 points 3 weeks ago

Fedora tends to "just work" too. Some manufacturers that support Ubuntu also support Fedora for customers that need a "RedHat-ish" distro instead of a "Debian-ish" one.

[–] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

you're right, but the issues with ubuntu crop up later, when you have to update or after you install enough incompatible stuff that it breaks your system. which is a shame bc ubuntu is the most user friendly distro there is imo

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

More specifically Ubuntu LTS, since interim releases are now expectedly beta quality and require upgrades a few months after release. Ubuntu LTS, enable unattended upgrades, register and activate Ubuntu Pro for them and you won't have to touch it for the lifetime of the hardware.

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[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

Especially because it's to a newbie, who stands to benefit the most from using an OS with more user share and more available online resources.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

I came here to say this as well. Ubuntu "just works"™ and was my entry into linux 15+ years ago.

[–] R3D4CT3D@midwest.social 33 points 3 weeks ago

memes dunking on mint are irrelevant. use what works for you & ignore the noise.

personally, mint lmde, based on debian, might be worth a once over. sounds like the stability aspect might be up your alley.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 weeks ago

Linux Mint. I'm a pretty hardcore Linux person, used a dozen different distros, Mint is by far the closest I've experienced to #JustWorks.

It's reliable and simple enough that earlier this year I switched my tech-illiterate parents from Windows to Mint. Works great for them so far.

[–] rodbiren@midwest.social 22 points 3 weeks ago

I've done dozens of distros and Linux mint is the most familiar, unexciting, and stable one I have found. Ignore the hate. Real Linux fans don't care how you participate in open source, other than being toxic. Consequently, do whatever you want and install whatever seems like it would be something you'd want to use.

Id highly suggest having a separate hard drive for Linux as it can be easy to break dual boot if you don't know what you are doing. Last thing you want to do is panic and decide you need to reinstall Windows.

[–] Integrate777@discuss.online 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Go ahead with mint. It's the only distro I know with a fully featured setup wizard that holds your hand through the entire process. I am confident anyone who has used computers can use it.

But honestly, most modern distros are about as difficult as picking up an iOS/android phone for the first time. There are different ways of doing things, but they're still phones and can't be too different anyway. Same with mint, it's just a computer, it isn't all that different.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's the only distro I know with a fully featured setup wizard that holds your hand through the entire process.

Ubuntu, Fedora, Nobara(Fedora fork by GloriousEggroll of proton-ge), Garuda Arch, Pop!OS. Those are just the few I've personally fiddled with.

Highly recommend Garuda, Nobara and Pop!, in that order, for gaming.

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[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Thanks for the input ya nerds. Much love from the geek side of lemmy. I'll be taking the advice of poking around with multiple distros before committing to one, because it sounds a whole lot less painful than I was imagining.

Quick question though, what the hell is a gnome? Or a KDE for that matter?

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
  • Mint
  • Kubuntu
  • Fedora KDE Edition
  • OpenSuSE
  • Pop!OS

These are all easy to use desktop distros (or variants). Use them with their respective default desktop environment. Check screenshots first or try them out in a VM or via live USB before installation, to see whether you like the look&feel.

[–] syaochan@feddit.it 12 points 3 weeks ago

Go with Mint, it's my daily drive on both my laptop and HTPC. If you choose the regular edition Ubuntu based you have also hardware enablement (hwe) kernels which could be useful on newer hardware.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

Mint is one of the best bets for beginners, it's very similar to windows 10 UI wise by default and generally very user friendly

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

HolyOS, Hannah Montana linux, AmongOS

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[–] Lotsen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago

You can go with mint. It's a solid choice. I prefer opensuse tumbleweed since I find it easier to work with. It also has a great selection of desktop enviroments witch is the thing you interact with and what you use to manage your open programs. If you want something like modern windows you can go with KDE or cinnamon and if you want something more minimal and windoes XP like you can use xfce.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

Every distro gets shit on in memes, because each distro does things its own way that some don't agree with. As a new user, most of that doesn't matter much, the biggest changes between distros are how stuff works in the background. What matters more is your choice of Desktop Environment (DE). Essentially "the coat of paint on top". Most distros offer a couple different options when downloading the ISO, or when installing it.

I'd reccomend starting out by trying GNOME and KDE Plasma (if they're easily available for your distro), with GNOME being slightly more macOS-like, and KDE being somewhat similar in feel to Windows. Those are "the big two" DEs, but there's plenty of other options available if you don't like them.

As for distros, whatever works for you is the option you should go with. There's only two distros I recommend against using, Ubuntu (/ close derivatives) and Manjaro. Ubuntu is becoming extremely corporate, going against the "spirit" of a Linux distro. There's "Ubuntu Pro", a subscription for security updates, and "snap", an "alternative to" flatpak that forces you on Ubuntu managed repositories, along with many other issues. Manjaro is often marketed as "an easy Arch-based distro", but is in fact only very loosely derived from Arch. This combined with Manjaro team's inability to maintain the distro properly, causes nothing but issues.

As for every other distro, if it's being updated, and it works for you, then it's a great option. Because that second one is very personal, there is no "single best Linux distro". I would personally suggest to check out Mint and Fedora, those are often great options.

As someone else mentioned, with a "new laptop", hardware compatibility may be an issue. Most distros allow you to try them off the USB before installing, that's probably a good idea.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Linux Mint.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

ITT: 100 people naming their favourite distro and making that fit whatever OP needs.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 3 weeks ago

So far, people are being pretty reasonable. Most are recommending mint, ubuntu or similars, and no one recommended arch to someone with basic linux/computing skills. I have to say I'm impressed. Restored my faith in the community.

[–] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'll drop this: https://www.techradar.com/best/best-linux-distros It's written by an actual journo and not a bunch of nerds in nerdville!

Getting into Linux is a bit like Windows back in the day - interesting and a lot of fun ... and rather nerdy. My first Windows version was 1.0 and my last was 7. Mind you I do run a MS Silver Partner and worry about a lot of Windows servers and desktops but my daily driver is Linux.

Mint is a great choice, even though it isn't mentioned in the article I linked because you get a great community, which is pretty important. Its basically Ubuntu and therefore Debian too, so a lot of howtos will work.

I personally rock Kubuntu but I have a requirement for enterprisey stuff - ESET and Veeam and AD integration and all that. I also get Secure Boot out of the box and not all Linux distros work with that.

Your smart new laptop will have Secure Boot enabled so you will have to deal with that if you deploy a distro that doesn't. So with say Arch, you will need to turn it off or learn how to sign your kernels etc and that is not a beginner topic! I suggest you turn off Secure Boot if your chosen distro doesn't support it, rather than insisting on it. Its a nice to have but not the most important security feature ever.

You might want to show a bit of ankle and try out a few to start with. Most distros have a live CD that you can boot and try out first. I suggest trying out Mint, Ubuntu and Kubuntu. That gets you three modern interfaces to play with.

If you are into gaming then it kooks like Pop!OS would be a good place to start instead.

There is no real best option - it's what suits you and you have choice.

[–] Cornflake@pawb.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

I really like Fedora. Swapped to it a few months ago, my first time using Linux, and I've since only been using the Linux machine. With the KDE Plasma spin, it really is a near 1:1 UI to Windows.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and say fedora silverblue or bazzite

Basic user? Use flat packs and enjoy easy graphics support, as well as all of the windows compatibility for gaming

Advanced user? Learn to do things in pods/containers or distrobox, it's easy even if the quick start docs aren't great (I can find my cheat sheets if anyone is going down that road)

Pro: most stuff just works, and it's harder to config yourself into a corner you have to research your way out of

Cons: normal Linux install guides need to be modified a bit, it's not hard but you do have to learn how to do it

[–] KrispeeIguana@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What spec of laptop are you thinking of getting?

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Still shopping around, so nothing's set in stone. I'm not much of a hardware guy either, so the best I could tell you is just that I'm looking for something a step or two above 'bare minimum' for 2025. An SSD, fair bit of ram, ports for external storage so I can actually boot with another OS, maybe enough guts to run skyrim modded to the gills. Somewhere in that ballpark.

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[–] Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

Pop!_OS is neat. I've been running it on my desktop and laptop for over a year now. I like that it doesn't look like Windows and has enough difference to it to not be a macOS clone either. Plus I think System76 is doing some great things with hardware design.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think Mint is good enough. People will dunk on anything popular.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Generally I agree with everyone else, Linux Mint is great.

However, if you really want to not worry at all, you could just buy a laptop from e.g. Tuxedo or System76. They come with Linux preinstalled (I think in the case of Tuxedo at least, you even have a choice of which Linux Distro?), and are guaranteed to have no hardware "difficulties" with Linux, i.e. even if you put another distro on it, you won't encounter driver issues.

(Those have become very rare anyways, but do put a damper on the "Firsttime Linux Experience" if you do encounter them...)

[–] Lotsen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can also buy from novacuatoms and get Linux installed and you get to have coreboot as the bios

[–] arc@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ubuntu. There are mixes of it but out of the box Ubuntu is about as straightforward a dist to install as possible and it is well supported.

That said "new laptop" and Linux are not always a match made in heaven. You might try it from a boot stick and confirm that things like the GPU, touch screen, touchpad, fingerprint reader, USB C / Lightning all work properly.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 4 points 3 weeks ago

Ubuntu is horrible these days, including most derivatives that change nothing but the DE. If you want Ubuntu, use Mint instead. There's plenty of other options available, like Fedora, Pop!_OS, etc.

As for testing, most distribution installers allow you to try them without installing first. No need to set up anything separate for that.

[–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You got a lot of distro recommendations from across the spectrum and it's honestly hard to go wrong with any of them. It's mostly a matter of preference. As such I'll give you two pieces of advice:

  1. Set up a multi-boot flash drive (assuming you're currently using Windows, YUMI is a great utility) so that your can try a bunch of them and see what jives with you most. A great feature of Linux installers is that you can actually run the entire OS, full-featured, from the ISO. So grab a whole slew of them, throw them on the flash drive, and spend some time taking them for a spin.
  2. Do your research on compatibility. Laptop makers often don't make Linux drivers, so the latest hardware has compatibility problems until the community covers the gap. There are also some laptop manufacturers that have Linux in mind when they make their products, like System 76 and Framework.

Good luck! IMO getting into Linux for the first time is a fun journey. Enjoy it!

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

mint is probably where you want to be. if you have performance issues with mint, consider MX Linux, AntiX, and EndeavourOS, in that order.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Linux Mint is one of the most common gateway drug for getting into linux.

It's incredibly easy to set up and use. And it has plenty of resources if you ran into any issue.

[–] Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Fedora's KDE spin

I really hope more beginner distros switch to kde from GNOME. When I was first getting into linux and did not know about what a DE was, GNOME put me off from fully switching to linux and themeing it was hell with it not playing nice with qt applications, of course as a newbie i did not know what "qt" or "Gtk" was and did not understand at the time why some applications were not following theme.

while kde default is not pretty it can be anything you want it to look like and its easy to customize and plays nice with gtk applications. GNOME IS very customizable that you might even be able to make it into a usable desktop.

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Don't get mint if you'll get a remotely capable laptop or plan to game on it. Its so called 'modern' desktop environment (wich still defaults to the old X window system) feels awful to use imo and while the 'retro' ones are better there's no point in using them on a new laptop. Choose a distro that ships with KDE, GNOME, or a wlroots based desktop environment.

I've also had driver issues with it that didn't happen with Ubuntu or arch.

Pretty much every distro has a caveman compatible installer.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Mint or Zorin

[–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Install a few and see which one you like the most. You can install several distros at the same time and they'll all appear in the boot menu. When I was deciding which distro to use on my laptop, I was dual booting Debian and Fedora, with one /home partition shared between both of them.

Mint and Fedora are good choices IMO. Everyone is different though :)

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[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

to those suggesting mint, any particular reasons to choose between Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce versions?

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora or one of the offshoots like Mint or Pop.

As long as you don't go too far into the weeds with Arch, Silverblue or NixOS, You're probably going to have a pretty decent experience, as long as you don't dig too far under the hood too early most things that you're going to want to try are just going to work out of the gate.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Linux mint, Debian, Fedora

PopOS if you are into gaming

[–] Noble_bacon@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is quite a rabbit hole you are getting yourself into, but to keep it short and relatively simple, you need to figure out something very important beforehand:

  • Do you want a rolling release or a stable distro?

I'm assuming that, you are not yet familiar with these terms, so let's go with the stable distros.

You have a lot of options here, most of them will all be based of Ubuntu, which is based in Debian, so let me drop a few generally good suggestions in no particular order:

  • Linux Mint
  • MX Linux
  • ZorinOS
  • PopOS
  • Fedora, (This one is not a stable distro, but you should be good with it)

Either of these is a good starting point. If down the road you feel like they stop fitting your needs, start exploring the big three, (Debian, Fedora and Arch Linux).

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I've never noticed any hate for Mint, it seems to be a pretty good option. It'll easily run on anything that was able to run Windows 10 (probably 8 too) and the default desktop environment Cinnamon is easy to navigate if you're coming from Windows. Even if you have some obscure piece of hardware with Mint being based on Ubuntu there's probably a tutorial you can follow to get it working.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Mint was my beginner distro and is what I recommend. In my experience I was able to find a solution for most of my beginner problems by searching for a solution for mint.

[–] DesolateMood@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

Any Debian/Ubuntu or fedora based distro will do you fine. I personally ran PopOS when I built my computer earlier this year and didn't have any issues with it

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