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If they can keep the MS lobbyists out, it's feasible, just ask Munich.
Except they couldn't keep the Micro$oft ~~criminals~~ lobbyists out
PSA: You can support this petition even if you're not an EU resident
Is that So? How?
I just signed it, but I’m in eu
It lets you sign up as a country outside the EU and sign it
shame the form is absolute dogshit, only options for title is mr. and mrs. and they want a username for some reason?
I mean I'd be fine with BSD too. the point should be to force public institutions to use FOSS
Sure but nobody is petitioning for BSD desktops in the EU
Sigh. Guess I'll have to do it
That would be incredibly dumb. There are entire fields where the FOSS is just hilariously behind proprietary software (or sometimes the only option). Do you want to cripple public institutions by cutting them off entirely from proprietary software?
I think the point is to invest the money into the continued development and improvement of the foss software instead of giving the money to businesses who shield their proprietary codebase. In theory.
Switzerland already did it. Its brilliant. Instead of the gov pouring money into proprietary solutions to meet their needs, they can fund FOSS and benefit from the same software being funded by other governments and companies too.
Proprietary is crippling. Its only chosen due to corruption
"There are entire fields where the FOSS is just hilariously behind proprietary software"
CAD, CAM, EDA, audio/video production (NLVEs, DAWs, synthesisers etc.).
There are open source options sometimes, but they are all faaar behind the commercial options. No fiscally sane business or government department would use them (unless they only need a small job, or are quite masochistic).
Adopting Linux is the best way to help ensure European sovereignty from maga meddling.
Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.
From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?
From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?
The city of Munich deployed their own custom Linux systems many years ago. But since it wasn't really maintained and updated, the user experience was pretty bad and the city's employees were unhappy. Then Micro$oft lobbyists also came in and made them switch - by threatening to move their German headquarters out of Munich, which would cost the city lots of tax revenue.
You think that Microsoft lobbyist would have had any traction if the user experience was any decent?
Of course not. They wouldn't have had any reason to switch.
That is the biggest issue with Linux at the moment. It takes more maintenance than Windows. And there are a lot less people with the knowledge to setup and maintain those environments.
At the end of the day, the point of those environments is to allow the user to work in them. But if the user is unable to work properly because of the environment, then that environment must be changed. It is as simple as that.
Of course not. They wouldn’t have had any reason to switch.
Of course they would? Millions of euros of tax revenue sounds like a pretty compelling reason to me. This is why Micro$oft's "lobby efforts" should be labeled as what they are: Nothing more and nothing less than corruption.
It takes more maintenance than Windows.
If you create your own distro, yes. But there are countless noob-friendly distros like Mint, Ubuntu and Fedora that they could use with practically 0 maintenance required. Also, compare the 2004 desktop Linux experience to now. Having used Gentoo Linux compiled from a stage 1 tarball back in 2002, I can tell you: the differences are tremendous. Many of the issues they had can be directly attributed to OpenOffice and it's bad compatibility with Microsoft Office file formats, which has long been replaced by LibreOffice. It still worked out pretty well for them, over a period of 13 years. And it saved the tax payer millions of euros of Microsoft's stupid licensing fee for their proprietary garbage.
The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.
Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.
Then they went back to Linux a few years pater
Yeah, that's the one. Gnome 2 in 2017 would have felt pretty dated. And the political reasons can't have helped either.
So, it didn't fail from a technical fault but a political one? I feel like you're arguing against it but I'm not following how that has anything to do with the viability of it (especially if it worked for 13 years)
Its not that I'm against it or don't think it can work, I just dont think its going to help drive adoption of desktop Linux. And I think there is a very real risk that it could negatively impact Linux mind share if the experience is particularly bad.
The Munich OS proves its possible. But I'm really curious about how the end users actually felt about it. Maybe I'm wrong and they love it, but I'm very skeptical.
Fwiw, I suspect the "Linux" that ends up being deployed will likely be a glorified thinclient/browser, and nothing like desktop Linux as most of us know and love.
That's fair
No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.
No one wants to choose a bad OS environment, it will become one due to security or other non-negotiable requirements.
They aren't going to just toss Ubuntu on a box and call it done. Itll be locked down, limited, and horrible to use. And users who dont know any better will blame "Linux".
A government SOE Linux just isnt going to be a good ambassador for general desktop usage.
No, but it will mean apps get written for Linux, due to market share
Maybe. I suspect most of the government apps will be webapps, and not particularly relevant to the rest of us.
Maybe Firefox will get some funding :D
So they can blow it on functions they cancel :)
if you read the petition, it's not for a security reason that it has been created but RGPD one... So with privacy in mind, it can be a not great but good distro
You mean just like Windows?
Just like windows, except that the misdirected hate when the SOE environment gets in the way will be aimed at "Linux" instead of "Microsoft".
They then switched back to Linux
Government systems should be locked down and limited.
Yup, exactly, which is kinda my point. The OS given to users is gonna be heavily restricted, so no one is going to use it and then run home to install it on a home PC. Government OSs are just not good ambassadors.
No one was discussing users transitioning on their home computers.
Of course not, but if the first exposure someone has to Linux is a bad experience, thats not going to be good for mind share. Thats the double edge sword i am referring to.
dunno how many online petitions actually worked, but "kay guys... now... linux!" ain't gonna work.
That's a parliament petition. If it succeed it is forced by EU constitution to be turned into an EU law.
That tool is offered to EU representant to create a kind of referendum and accelerate the adoption of a law through direct democracy.
I think you're a bit mistaken. Per https://www.edf-feph.org/enforcement-toolkit-european-parliament-peti-committee/
"The Petitions Committee does not have investigatory nor enforcement powers and it can only adopt non-binding recommendations. Nevertheless, it can be a good tool to draw political attention to specific matters."
At most, it makes the parliament have to look at the proposal and decide if its worth looking into or not. It doesn't force anything.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong kind of petition to the EU Parliament?
Why creating a new distro instead of using a big one and contribute to it?
They aren't building something from scratch. They probably are just going to make a base image with everything configured in a standard way.
"I'd just like to interject for a moment..."
I like and support the idea in general, but the petition's scope is just too broad and lacks focus. Migrating to Linux? Sure, but let's not force a single distribution across the EU. New EU mobile OS? Nice idea, but there is no solid alternative unless a lot of time and money is spent on developing it.
Supported!
I feel like they don't know the magnitude of that what means.
Very cool but unlikely to work