FediLore + Fedidrama

WTF. @CARCOSA@hexbear.net is now suspecting me being behind some sockpuppets because they claim I leaked private messages

By which they mean the screenshot I crossposted in the OP above from their own comm's public comments!. That screenshot was in turn from a discussion in a public matrix chat for lemmy admins.

I am willing to give people the benefit of a doubt, this is some really fucking manipulative behavior and it's pissing me off!

Interestingly, some Hexbear users accused the francophone instance jlai.lu to be authoritarian when it opened a discussion, and a poll for the community to vote about defederating from Hexbear (a final decision has yet to be made).

Then an Hexbear admin unilaterally decided to defederate from jlai.lu claiming it had "reactionary" users and "no effort was made to address this" (no jlai.lu admin was contacted nor prompted about the existence of such users).

Then this happens, again with complete disregard for the community members.

Speaking personally, them stating they outright lied to other instance admins is just one step too much. Wielding our collaborative spirit for manipulative purposes just sows distrust, and is downright asocial behaviour. It's so out of line, that I honestly don't believe they actually lied. I think they were being earnest and only claimed they were being manipulative when caught by hexbears to save face. But if not, that's even worse.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand what the appeal of all of this is.

I think it's the same hunger for excitement that makes sports appeal to people, or leads people to create drama at work.

That was a ruse in an attempt to get the other admins to close their drama communities like the ones that harassed vegantheoryclub admins but I did not expect the hexbear sleuths to find that so not only did the ruse fail but I blew up any chance of doing another in the future with other lemmy admins while further alienating hexbear users.

It blows my mind that they thought this would work.

Hexbear users are alienated because they enjoy being annoying. That's it. That's the secret. They can always stop doing that, that's always allowed. Being dishonest isn't great, but there are a lot of people in authority on Lemmy that are dishonest, and it's mostly not a problem.

I also like the implication that it was the unmasking of the ruse that made it not work, instead of the fact that this is the stupidest ruse I've ever heard of.

Eventually that was resolved, and admins are asked to tone down the “bit doing” during this heated period.

Not in general, of course. It's only a problem right now during this heated period. I wonder what some other "bits" are.

Honestly, this online "revolutionary" shit is really starting to give SLA vibes. When I joined lemmy, I really gave them a chance, even though I'm strictly against authoritarianism of any stripe. I eventually blocked the instance, not because of negative interactions, but because my feed would be filled with their shit talking communities and all the comments were just gigantic emojis. It was just out of control shit posting.

I wanted to block their instance before it was possible in Lemmy, but thankfully my instance admin did. Nothing I've ever seen from them made me want to interact with them.

I’m so glad I don’t have to see their BS. Very happy being defederated.

Honestly I think this speaks to the value of having user-level blocking of instances rather than defederation. Maybe one day that will be incorporated into Lemmy (or similar).

The hexbear folks can have their clownshow, just keep it in the clowncar. Sounds like the drivers are tripping balls and the clowncar needs some maintenance.

I don't know enough about Hexbear, my interactions with them in the communities I go to have been overwhelmingly positive. But I recognise the toxicity elsewhere. That said, the moderators and admins here were clearly on the right side and tried to make positive changes. It's a shame there's opposition to that.

To this day, the only instance I have in my blocked list.

I hope the instances burns. I'll never forget Hexbear users threatening my life. Fuck. Them.

I've been following the drama too. Total misstep from the hexbear admins/mods. I didn't catch that TC69 deleted their account though, kind of a shame because they seemed to really stand up for trans people. I like hexbear, I agree with a lot of their points and like their community. I do not always agree with them, but I respect them in their fight and struggle. It's one of the only places I felt safe talking about my feelings about the recent US election because many people felt similar. I don't post or comment much on hexbear, I really should though. Hexbear did a survey that revealed a significant amount of their users were trans. I did not understand why the mods said white cis het men were the problem and was the majority of their userbase. I am a mixed bi cis latina, I know I do not have a hexbear account but I just wanted to point out that their assessment is wrong. I just hope they can recover from this.

The election is over so it's obviously time for an instance wide reorg.