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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 109 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

As an indigenous Canadian I can confirm this.

Both of my parents were born and raised in the wilderness. I don't mean that they were born in a modern hospital and later raised in the bush. They were born in the 40s in a teepee with the help of traditional midwives.

Dad was a great hunter and trapper and did all the things you could imagine a hunter and gatherer could do.

Mom did the same as well, not as much or as well as dad but good enough to survive on her own or with children. She hunted birds, fished and could bring down gut clean prepare butcher moose, caribou, bear, wolf, lynx and any other large animal if she had to .... when she was a young woman that is. She could also travel, walk, snowshoe, use dog team, paddle a canoe, portage, sail, and survive alone in the bush for weeks or months on her own. In her prime, she was a far better hunter and gatherer than most men I know now including myself.

It only makes sense .... prehistoric hunters and gatherers didn't sit around and relegate women to only do certain things. Everyone no matter what gender had to be capable of doing everything in order to ensure and secure the survival of everyone.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Early enough in human history we weren't even relying on weapons to hunt as much as the fact that despite not having as high of a top speed as our prey, we could literally chase them until they died of exhaustion, that doesn't seem like gender would make too much of a difference in it. We all get out ran by prey in the short term, and we all have the stamina and speed to catch up.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Stamina and precision are universal human traits, yep. Nobody can toss a rock and then run a marathon like an angry hairless ape

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Whether that hairless ape was a man or woman also didn't matter.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

Aerodynamics change very little, yep

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[–] cybermass@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago

Ayo fellow Canadians here though not indigenous. Thanks for sharing your story!

It makes me sad how overlooked the stories and lessons of the indigenous people are in Canada and the discrimination still present to this day.

[–] infinite_ass@leminal.space 4 points 4 months ago

I'll bet she couldn't carry as much meat as a man tho.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 4 months ago

I think this is just whitewashing history... Even if you look to the ancient Western world, they had goddesses like Artemis

Generally, men fought wars. Like a lion pride - the males are the defenders because they're bigger and stronger. Hunting doesn't require raw strength - it requires diligence, patience, and/or endurance

But they all hunt. Lionesses are known for it, but lions do it too. Complete division of responsibilities is an insect thing

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying women are capable of taking out the garbage and recycling?

[–] cybermass@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I should tell my girlfriend this news!

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[–] clark@midwest.social 15 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I thought everyone knew this. Tasks based on sex were not so prevalent until high cultures formed and people started settling down instead of being nomadic.

[–] Steak@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Men definitely did more hunting then woman in most of human history lmao you are insane

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Steak@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Men are faster and stronger. Men don't spend a good portion of their lives growing children and breastfeeding them. So more free time to hunt. Men's eyesight is literally better at picking up motion than woman's and men have better reflex's and hand eye coordination. Men outperform woman in almost all aspents of what it takes to be a great hunter back in the early human days.

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

That's why when you see documentaries about tribes that had little to no contact to the outside world, women are often hunting and do the heavy lifting and men are at home raising kids and taking care of the village while the women are out there. I mean i haven't seen it, but according to this one weird paper they must exist.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

The only thing that might predispose women is when they get pregnant. Most forms of hunting don't require excessive strength. This is not speculation, prehistoric people do not give a shit about your value system or how it imposes itself on science. Animals in animal world be animals.

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 months ago

THIS IS A GROUP EFFORT, PEOPLE!

[–] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No, you don't understand, this is all communist propaganda! /j

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

My mom would puke at these, even I feel some nausea. It just was such a horrible time to be alive. I wouldn’t wish these times on my worst enemy

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would be a nice plot twist, but do you habe any sources for your claim? If this is real I would like to know more

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10306201/

This paper has a lot of back and forth. Another commenter posted a rebuttal.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't spread it around. It's a complete fraud of a paper for all we know. Just the fact that it has convincing rebuttals is enough to make you consider it irrelevant.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's not a fraud. Science isn't black and white. Discussing things is a good thing. It's still peer reviewed and not retracted in a decent journal. Not everyone dismisses it. The authors have responded to some of the criticisms by publishing additional information in the linked "correction" (functions like an attachment added later). Science is a conversation.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

No, you're thinking of philosophy. Philosophy is a discussion. Science is a process. Just the fact that they are being accused of being misleading and outright falsyfyiing evidence is enough to simply ignore their purported results until they can produce a paper that fixes all those problems.

It's not a discussion whether we can agree on something. The evidence should do the only talking.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

Eıŋtcint Siþıėnz a-ſ hæd ƿimin æz worıyṙz. T inu̇f v æn ekſtent ðæt ðı muıt bı ð beıſiſ f ð Æmėzȯn worıyṙz v ledjend.

spoilerAncient Scythians also had women as warriors. To enough of an extent that they might be the basis for the Amazon warriors of legend.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@reddthat.com 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I grew up in Da Yoop. In my high school, our head cheer leader was an expert bow hunter. This "discovery" is not in any way a surprise to me.

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

Oh yeah? Then why am I always angry at everyone all the time?!

Boom. Scienced!

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[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My SO has a theory that if the group of people lived in a harsh environment, ie. having to work for what you had with no guarantee of food or safety, etc, it was common for women to work just as much as men. Such a society needed all hands on deck, so to speak. But, when we start becoming "civilized", and things started getting made for us, (as opposed to an individual making it themselves.) Women and men start having diverging roles. Essentially, there's just not enough work, so womens role turns into raising the babies, to fill the time. Eventually, for whatever reason, "civilized" society just forgot about the hard times and assumes women have always been there just to raise babies.

Disclaimer: This is based on absolutely nothing. Maybe some random information that explain that women did "men" jobs too, once. Idk.

[–] clark@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's called the neolithic revolution.

[–] FarFarAway@startrek.website 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Crap. They just took it from somewhere else and passed it off as their own. Jerk.

Edit: But then why is this even being debated?

[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago