The disposable black market & associated disproportionate rise in youth vaping in Australia results from the illegality of all vapes, not just disposables. It's hard to imagine it becoming a burgeoning black market predicated solely on that vapers find the highly available, better value, relatively environmentally friendly option untenable. Overall a sensible move I think coming from a pro-vape perspective
this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2024
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What was the rationale for banning all vapes in Australia? Seems excessive. Are cigarettes banned too?
To address youth vaping. The outcome of that has been that youth vaping is significantly higher than in other OECD member countries, and kids are now getting them from the 'vape dealer' whom may have other illicit drugs available. Cigarettes aren't banned, only made unaffordable via progressive excise tax. That's had its own unintended consequences of launching a new market for "chop chop" i.e. illegally grown unprocessed tobacco, as well as black market imports that sidestep the plain packaging laws, and tobacco gang wars in Sydney and Melbourne.
Cigarettes and tobacco products are highly taxed. Why they didn’t go down that route I’ll never understand.
Good. We had perfectly reasonable rebuildables for so long.
And then Juul made disposables popular and in came waves of China disposables.
it's insane they ever took hold. in the 20 fucking 20s. people look at my refillable mod like I'm holding a walkman
As someone who is using a nicotine vape to wean off of nicotine, I still don't understand why people buy disposable ones.
It's less cost-effective, less customizable, and more sketchy.
Personally I think they're useful for one thing and one thing only, a gig/night out. When you don't want to have some kind of battery pack to recharge your vape so you have a couple disposables in your pocket, and if you lose it, shrug, it cost a couple quid.
That said, I back this ban wholeheartedly
Agree, I make my own liquid/coils/wicks and it doesn't come to more than 20 quid a month
Are you able to order nicotine?
Yeah, can get it off ebay or reputable sites no problem. The caveat is that silly law where everything has to be in 10ml bottles...
Good start. Now expand to all current and future battery devices. Honestly, disposable battery devices are a bad, out of date idea. Doing nothing but long term harm to the environment.
But nothing will change until firms are forced to do so. It's just time until the next huge disposable trend if it is not addressed now.
we need a clean, biodegradable version of vapes. maybe use some form of paper? and instead of juice just use the actual leaves from the tobacco plant
Would this create less waste than buying one vape and using it forever?
now where will bigclive get free discarded lithium cells?
Good. The batteries alone being disposable is insane. https://stoke.nub.news/news/local-news/staffordshire-university-graduate-uses-disposable-vape-batteries-to-power-electric-scooter-197624
not smoke/vape related.. but I remember buying a couple of these one shot power banks. Disposable thing, it was in like a pouch rather than a case. I did some googling... it looked a lot like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Boostrcharge-Pre-Charged-Emergency-Hurricane-Preparedness/dp/B0BGMK7NWV?th=1
link disclaimer, DO NOT buy this crap
but it was about 10 years ago, they were like a quid each and I think I saw a basket of them at a market stall or something and I got 2. Anyway, lived in my work rucksack for a very long time, never being needed. I lost one, and the otherone the pouch got a bit damaged, so I thought sod it, lets open it.
Couldn't believe it, I was expecting a bunch of alkaline button batteries connected together through a little zener circuit, but no, it was a straight up lithium ion battery.
It should surprise me, but not anymore. It must be economies of scale making lithium batteries the cheapest thing to do now.
Wow, I normally don't think of England when it comes to countries who have their shit together!
Don’t get used to it.
I think we just get by by knowing we're better than Northern Ireland.
Aside from the myraid of good arguments about why this is a good thing to be happening.
Having, in a past attempt to quit smoking, used a few. The ones that they tried to make look like a cigarette.
Yeah they are really awful, utterly horrid. I'd rather suck turd out a camels arse. Turned out I'd also rather just stop entirely (sorry, I only lasted about 18 months. but I will mange it)
Yeah, good luck with that. Nobody is regulating any of it so the rules might as well be advisory only.
Seemingly every dodgy corner shop sells high strength disposable vapes already, so I don't know why they'd stop because of this...
In the same fashion that cigarettes are no longer on display in stores this will absolutely have an effect. The supply chain will eventually evaporate so once stores are out of stock it'll no longer be common place. Sure, they could be imported but stores that don't comply won't be common and will stick out easily.
I don't think cigarettes being out of view lead to their decrease, nor all the warnings or pictures of diseases. It's more that they cost about £15 a pack. Honestly feels like weed has already overtaken cigarettes.
I know they mean well, and disposables are spectacularly wasteful, but I can also see the appeal of a cheap, no maintenance, no mess, no faff vape.
And from a purely selfish point of view, I'd rather smell Fruit Salad smelling vapes everywhere than cigarettes or more bloody weed.
Right and how are they going to get new stock exactly? When they ban something they ban the import of them as well not just the sale.
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Hear that noise? That's the sound of organized criminal smuggling gangs celebrating being given their new market.
Disposable vapes, not vapes in general
Banning disposable vapes are just a strictly positive thing
I really can't see that happening when perfectly legal alternatives are like 20 quid. People aren't exactly going out of the way to do things via the illegal method, just because