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Disney made an estimated $296.4 million loss at the box office on just two of its Marvel superhero movies in 2023 according to analysis of recently-released financial statements.

They reveal that the cost of making The Marvels and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania came to a staggering $762.4 million (£609.3 million) before Disney banked $124.9 million (£99.4 million) in government incentives bringing its net spending on the movies down to $637.5 million. They both bombed at the box office.

According to industry analyst Box Office Mojo, the movies grossed a combined $682.2 million with theaters typically retaining 50% of the takings and the remainder going to the studio. This reflects the findings of film industry consultant Stephen Follows who interviewed 1,235 film professionals in 2014 and concluded that, according to studios, theaters keep 49% of the takings on average. It would give Disney just $341.1 million from The Marvels and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. No expense was spared on them.

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Disney does not publicly discuss how much it spends on specific productions and did not respond to a request for comment. Budgets are usually a closely-guarded secret. This is because studios combine the costs of individual pictures in their overall expenses and their filings don't itemize how much was spent on each one. Films made in the UK are exceptions and both The Marvels and Quantumania fall into this category.

Studios shoot in the UK to benefit from its Audio-Visual Expenditure Credit (AVEC) which gives them a cash reimbursement of up to 25.5% of the money they spend in the country.

To qualify for the reimbursement, at least 10% of the production costs need to relate to activities in the UK. In order to demonstrate this to the UK government, studios tend to set up a separate production company in the country for each movie they make there.

The companies have to file financial statements which shine a spotlight on their budgets. They reveal everything from the headcount and salaries to the level of reimbursement and the total costs. Studios directly receive the revenue from theater tickets, streaming and Blu-ray sales and carry the costs of marketing as the function of the UK companies is purely making the movies.

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[–] wrig9547@lemm.ee 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m sorry, did I just read that DISNEY received $125 Million in government incentives to make a comic book movie?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Studios shoot in the UK to benefit from its Audio-Visual Expenditure Credit (AVEC) which gives them a cash reimbursement of up to 25.5% of the money they spend in the country.

It's not like they were handed a blank check, they spent hundreds of millions more paying people and buying stuff in the UK to get that rebate

[–] Hirom 1 points 1 month ago

That's just gouvernement incentives with extra steps.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 month ago

this only accounts for box office take. when you add in streaming, tv and other broadcast rights, home video, merchandising. they won't be 'losing money' on these two 'bombs'.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow! That's like a sixth of two billion!

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No shit. What a bullshit manipulation of numbers by people thrusting their hate boners. “Almost $300m” would have sufficed.

God they had to dig so deep to get these numbers. Looking up tax records? Like Jesus Christ let it go.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 12 points 1 month ago

Awww no, poor thing... Does Disney need a hug?

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This analysis isn't acknowledging the important fact that The Marvel's was dogwater in its best moments and pure cringe at all other times.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I liked the Marvels =(

Meanwhile, I've heard such bad things about Quantumania that I haven't watched it yet lol.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’m a 40 year old dude and thought it was fun. Not my favourite, but it clearly wasn’t made for me. I feel like it’s the kind of thing that will really connect with young girls and later on it will be looked back on fondly.

Dads, watch it with your daughters. You won’t regret it.

Quantumania was fun too. Could’ve been better, but don’t believe all the hate.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

I agree on quantamania, it's a fun turn your brain off movie. Introduces some cool concepts to the universe and has some interesting visuals. Marvel movies aren't meant to be your forest gumps, people seem to forget that sometimes.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I liked Quantumania. Sometimes you just want something fun and it delivered.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hm... Maybe I'll give it a try sometime then.

That's kind of how I felt about The Marvels and the other Ant-Man movies. They weren't mind-blowing, but they were mostly a fun time. Not too long, well paced, pretty light hearts with some creative action scenes that didn't hit Shang Chi or Winter Soldier heights, but we're entertaining enough.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I also liked Quantumania. It wasn't perfect, but it wasn't "Thor 4" level of bad either.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago

I enjoyed the Marvels but I rate the Captain Marvel highly.

I thought Quantumania was pretty pointless, doubly now Kang has been dropped.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 month ago

That's completely unfair. There was really good stuff in the first act, the writers played into the tension between the three Marvels quite well. Everything after that was boring and by-the-book, but it wasn't bad.

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 month ago

Who knew over saturating tired IP would result in a loss of profit?

[–] late_night@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A third of a billion dollars... so far

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

They've apparently got like $6 billion in cash reserves so they can afford the odd stinker.

Those losses won't be real losses, because they'll just pay everyone less on the next movie. They'll be tax man losses. We haven't made any money, oh poor us...

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Genuinely suspect that the people in charge of the money on these projects are stealing a good chunk of it.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

"Stealing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgYYOUC10aM

Much of the budget is megabucks wages for the stars and director and then enormous amounts on "distribution" aka adverts.