My situation, give it to the “computer” guy.
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I work full stack and even do dev operations and my title is not "full stack" and I believe the reason why is so HR can argue to pay me less.
Why would you think full stack developers make more money in general?
Eh, this is a thing, large companies often have internal rules and maximums about how much they can pay any given job title. For example, on our team, everyone we hire is given the role "senior full stack developer", not because they're particularly senior, in some cases we're literally hiring out of college, but because it allows us to pay them better with internal company politics.
Are you hiring
My manager gave me a talk about how I couldnt be intermediate because I don't have enough years there. My friend intermediate is about pay and my YOE not about my tenure here (won't be long till I quit)
Very useful rules, I see... impossible to bypass :-)
I prefer to use statisics rather than anecdotal evidence. The stack overflow survey shows full stack pretty far down:
Apparently they can't read their own survey results because DevEx is clearly the highest paid category there but they think it's SRE and cloud
Because we’re old bastards who remember before React.
They do according to can stats
That really depends on the company. At big tech companies, it's common for the levels and salary bands to be the same for both generalists (or full stack or whatever you want to call them) and specialists.
It also changes depending on market conditions. For example, frontend engineers used to be in higher demand than backend and full-stack.
"It depends" is a good answer, and is in line with me questioning the above comment.
Here's a link to a recent huge worldwide study: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/work#salary
What’s it then? 3/4 stack developer?
Just web, which is bullshit cause i literally work with like 3 OSs and 5 programming languages, ci cd. I just get thrown into a random project and come out with solutions. I told my manager my title should be software dev but he disagreed, shucks I guess.
can anyone explain to a hobby programmer?
the term normally refers to a developer that can be productive in every layer required for a typical application to work.
They can do the front end design/styling/implementation and are familiar with front end languages and frameworks
They can do the backend API design and are familiar with the typical backend languages and patterns.
They can do the database table design, write and optimize queries.
They can handle the ci/cd scripting that handles building and deploying the application
They can design and write the automation tests and are familiar with the libraries used for that.
And a bunch of other crap like load testing or familiarity with cloud services.
The latest thing added to the list is AI model creation which is a nightmare.. but, I can't say no 🤷♂️
Also, in practice, they're usually only good at one or two of the things on the list (at best) and hack their way through the rest. As much as people make fun of overspecialization, it happens in every field for a reason.
You’ve seen me write SQL haven’t you.
Eh, not sure if this is true at all. I think the reality is that niche specialized roles are valuable (frontend expert) but you are not "hacking" your way in full stack unless you are a junior or just bad at development.
I don't consider myself to be hacking anything I do, even things I'm not as strong in (ci cd) I pay full attention to documentation and examples before blinding coding or writing ci scripts
Start saying no. If you don't know how, start learning. It's hurting everyone up and down the industry.
I am almost purely focussed on creating DNNs ("deep neural networks" for the unaware) and it's almost always a nightmare work-wise, even without all the rest of the other crap.
The latest thing added to the list is AI model creation which is a nightmare.. but, I can't say no 🤷♂️
That's funny, I'm working with AI models for my thesis. Good to know that professional programmers struggle with it too.
They develop software on Marshall Full-Stack amplifiers, rather than the smaller, less powerful Half-Stacks.
Hope that helps clear things up.
As a Jr. Full Stack, I'm in this picture and I don't like it.
This is why I stopped identifying myself as full-stack and only do front end.
so you put up a front?
For me that's the wrong way around.
I want to be able to fix the issues I see. I hate it when I can't.